Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib Share Antisemitic Cartoon by Participant in Irans Holocaust Denial Contest

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  1. Paul7

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    Radical Islam is at war with you, like it or not. Lots of non-Muslims going overseas to fight for ISIS, are there?

    There were lots of German immigrants in the US during WWII, what does that prove?
     
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    Palestinian woman to another: Does this suicide bomb make me look fat?
     
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    Radical Islam, sure, but that's not what Trump was talking about. He wanted a complete ban on all Muslims. And the tavel ban we have now is stupid. It doesn't include Saudi Arabia? Wtf?

    That we weren't at war with all Germans.
     
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    Can you please list the nations we should have a travel ban on? Let's start with Saudi Arabia as we both agree. Then we can discuss Obama's deportation standards.
     
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    Ah sorry. Also, please list the bill or executive order that states Trump is banning all muslims. Please don't deflect. Just cite the bill and or executive order. Thanks in advance- hoping you aren't a bot.
     
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    Lol...What?
     
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    Regarding the OP: What an utterly stupid move by these Congresswomen. The Democrats are trying to draw as much a contrast between them and Trump as possible. Pelosi must be pulling her hair out. Fortunately, Trump is guaranteed to do something stupid in the next 24 hours, which we'll all be talking about again.
     
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    I never dreamed I would see the day the American people would elect Holocaust deniers into Congress. My father saw the
    camps in Germany when he was in the Army at the end of World War II. It was humanities darkest hour, but now we have
    members of the Government who deny it ever happened. Iran was widely rediculed when President Mahmoud Ahmendajad denied
    the Holocaust (he also said their were no Gays in Iran), but now anti-semtism has risen so much such ideas are no longer given
    the odium they deserve. I've heard (though I can't say for sure if its true) that in England the schools are no longer allowed to
    teach about the Holocaust because it offends Muslim students. The World is growing scarier by the day.
     
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    They are the face.

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    LIAR!… Ilhan Omar Says She Was Meeting Members of Knesset and Israeli Security Officials While in Israel — BUT SHE LIES – IT’S NOT ON HER SCHEDULE
     
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    What would you expect from savages that send their children off with suicide vests to make them proud?
     
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    Even the Jewish Chronicle did not see this as antisemetic at the time. It did say something like there was a possible connection but not that it was antisemetic. For Corbyn that was not the meaning at all. In the UK it is now antisemetic to criticise Israel but in general the far right's traditional antisemitism - that is hatred of a jew for being a 'Jew' which is the strongest in the UK is never spoken about or mentioned. This had begun before it looked like Corbyn was going to be voted in Leader of the opposition. It began with a campaign, almost certainly funded from Israel to make out that the UK was immersed in antisemitism - only that could explain our disgust at Israel's treatment of the Palestinians in a war which was initiated by Hamas and Fatah agreeing on a United Government which was accepted by both the US and EU. That would not suit Israel. She might be expected to come to a just resolution.

    Corbyn has been strongly against all kinds of racism all of his life. He has however also always been for getting justice and rights for the Palestinian people as he works against other forms of oppression. That is why the Labour Party has been accused again and again of antisemitism. Where Corbyn has allowed this to grow is in his inability to strongly counteract it - seemingly from his desire not to hurt Jews. This has resulted in some Jews actually believing that they are in danger when they are not - least of not from any Corbyn Government...and it has now got to the point that left wing Jews and members of the Labour Party who disagree on this issue are now being called 'not real jews'.

    I believe in classical antisemitism. I do not believe a political view is antisemetic.
     
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    Jonathan Cook discusses it in an article put on the website of Jewish Voice for Labour.

    https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/the-making-of-a-moral-panic/
     
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    Well, I basically agree with you, with a couple of exceptions.

    First of all, the 'genuine' Left is not and never has been 'anti-Semitic' in the classic sense, the sense you mention when you say you 'believe in classical antisemtism' (by which I take it that you believe, i.e. endorse the definition of, classical anti-Semitism). There are a few weird exceptions -- some of Narodnaya Volya briefly dabbled in anti-Semitism during their 'to the people' campaign, hoping to convince the peasants that their dislike of the Jews should be extended to the Czar. There are some other obscure exceptions to the rule -- the very term 'anti-Semitism' was invented by an anti-Semitic socialist -- but they're not typical.

    What is the case is that many people on the Left have simply seen the Israel/Palestinian fight as evil colonialist settlers against poor oppressed natives. Anything the latter do is justified, and the former must simply go back to their European home, or die.

    Mass immigration of Muslims --many of whom see the Israel/Palestinian fight in simple Jew vs Muslim terms -- has given a new base to the Left, who are not unwilling to accommodate to their new allies' reactionary beliefs. Of course the leaders of these allies have quickly learned to tell the gullible Lefties what they want to hear. So no more "Hitler Was Right!" signs at Palestinian demonstrations. Leave those at home for the time being.

    And Corbyn -- who, it has to be said, is not very bright (sad, really) -- is among the most gullible of all. He thinks an Islamist group like Hamas -- who would kill every Jew in Israel -- or Hezbollah, whose leader said it was good that all the Jews were concentrated in Israel because that would save them the bother of hunting them down all over the world -- are his 'friends'. (Yes, I know he has repudiated this statement now, ha ha ha ... he's not THAT stupid.)

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    Now I'm all in favor of the Israelis talking directly to these groups. They are the real representatives of Muslim opinion so you talk to whoever has the power. Big deal.

    But the idea that Hamas is "dedicated towards the good of the Palestinian people and bringing about long-term peace and social justice and political justice in the whole region" had me falling out of my chair with laughter. (It's dangerous being a conservative. Anti-Fa might smash your skull, but the real danger comes from reading statements like this. And there are more every day! I wonder if I could sue somebody ...)

    Here's my favorite:
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    As for that Jewish Chronicle writer who didn't see that painting as anti-Semitic .... I've known lots of Jews in my life -- when I went up to university and escaped the intellectually stifling atmosphere of Texas as it was sixty years ago, I met a load of Jews -- such wonderful people, intelligent, passionate about social justice, and what a sense of humor! -- I even married a couple along the way -- and I have met only one stupid Jew in my whole life. But that Jewish Chronicle person is number two.
     
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    I see. The Jewish Chronicle like Cook says, is a right wing Jewish paper which would see antisemitism anywhere. You will find in the article I quoted from Cook what the picture was about. In it he says what the issue which received no feedback in 2012 was

    No one, absolutely no one was saying anything about it being antisemetic at this point. It was only when it looked like Corbyn was going to be elected as Leader of the opposition and the hard right of Labour and hard right of the Jewish community got terrified and tried to label him antisemetic that the Jewish Chronicle even brought this up. I would suggest that the reason why it was considered 'obviously antisemetic' by 2017 or 8 was because of the smears and propaganda and that it not being considered antisemetic before that comes from the UK's different orientation when it was not in a smear campaign and moral panic. It is possible that the reason the writer in the Jewish Chronicle did not put it stronger was because they were writing in 2015 - we were not then living in a world where things like going to visit left wing Jews could be seen as possibly antisemetic.
     
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    Anyone who supports HAMAS can’t be reasoned with. Where do you even start to have a conversation when you can’t easily condemn an organization that indiscriminately blows people up, tosses them off roofs for sexual orientation or uses children and sick people as human shields. You can’t reason with someone that can justify those sorts of tactics. It’s twisted and disturbing that these women have a voice in our govt. mMind boggling.
     
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    That site is known as a source of viral falsehoods and hoaxes.

    That is a far right wing myth

    you go source that she did
     
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    It's like trying to reason with the KKK.
     
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    So what facts presented are false?

    Not really. From Wikipedia:

    In Islam, Taqiya or Taqiyya (Arabic: تقیة‎ taqiyyah, literally "prudence, fear")[1][2] is a precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice in the face of persecution.[1][3][4][5] Another term for this concept, kitmān (lit. "action of covering, dissimulation"), has a more specific meaning of dissimulation by silence or omission.

    Raymond Ibrahim, wrote an article on taqiya in 2008. In it he mentioned a translation of Lebanese Druze scholar Sami Makarem's monograph Al Taqiyya Fi Al Islam ("Dissimulation in Islam"), stating Sami argued that the concept should be considered "mainstream" and ubiquitous in modern Islamic politics, "Taqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it. We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream...Taqiyya is very prevalent in Islamic politics, especially in the modern era."
     
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    You can’t defend Hamas shooting rockets indiscriminately into suburban neighborhoods without supporting them. If you can’t be critical of 1st degree murder than you’re a terrorist sympathizer. You understand that right?

    If you’re expecting a specific quote that says “I support HAMAS” than no I do t have the time hunt for it when they probably never said it, because neither of them are THAT stupid. They don’t need to specifically say it.

    But you can look at who they defend. Who they meet with. Who and how they criticize events to clearly see who they support and what they support. I’m not going to give you a list of links that are freely searchable. Their actions are very well known. They don’t hide anything.

    You can’t say “Palestinians just want to be free” and expect a rational discussion. It’s like saying , “Mexicans just want a better life”. Yeah ok. I want a million dollars so I should be able to rob A bank because it’s ok. It’s not rational.
     
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    Would you have condemned Jewish people if they wore suicide vests when the Nazis confined them to the Nazi ghettos? And you are mixing up HAMAS with ISIS in a few of your claims.
     
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    As I said, Alexa, I think most of the 'anti-Semitism' thing is indeed a weapon to get Corbyn. And I definitely do not react to every cartoon portraying the Israelis in a negative light,when they need to be. They're not going to be hurt by some cartoon, when Hamas and Hezbollah are preparing much more lethatl things.

    But c'mon! Do YOU think that cartoon is anti-Semitic?
     
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    So now you're comparing Israel to Nazis?

    Simply variations of cockroach.
     
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    The Nazi ghettos are extremely similar to the Palestinian areas in Israel.

    And calling Palestinians cockroaches is pretty dehumanizing of you.
     
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