Russian Nuclear Engineers Buried By Skyfall Nuclear Blast

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  1. Yazverg

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    Most people nowadays do the same. It's international trait.

    Because Russia is their ally and the US government makes a war, which used to be just a trade war and recently grew into an attempt of color revolution.

    The US. So what? Wars have different reasons.

    That's an interesting story, but it is not that necessary that China will start a war on command from the White House. They even didn't agree to increase the exchange rate for yuan or to pay some 10-20% from their exports to the US. A war with russian army is not just walking into the territory of Russia. Russian army is the second big thing ignored in your idea.

    It's quite naive to think that countries of the 21st century are dreaming about new territories. It is a medieval thinking when land was bringing the money. Nowadays land mostly demands the money. Agriculture is barely profitable everywhere. As for the resources they demand investments and buying ressources from Russia sounds much more sensible than making war with Russia for its resources.

    I think that your country doesn't have anything but land and under this curcumstances you think that all the other countries have the same interests which is far from being right.
     
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    Color revolution conspiracies are a product of Russian propaganda. Chinese are not that stupid.
    Also, the US never threatens China with war. Your diseased imagination and realization that Russia has no chance against the US in open confrontation make you hope that big bad Chinese will come to Russia’s rescue, when in reality if things get hot they’ll be in Washington talking about a slice of eastern Russia.
    Who would you logically side with - a corrupt regime with corrupt politicians (that Chinese themselves execute weekly), with a mediocre GDP and untrustworthy government that lies and steals or the most powerful country in the world, largest economy in the world and your biggest trade partner.
    First option would mean a total war and major destruction.
    Second option translates to good deals with the largest economy, massive territorial expansion and recognition of new borders by everyone.
    You really think Chinese will pick #1?

    War is conducted to either install a friendly regime or to take the land. It’s like a 300,000 year old concept, nothing new.

    Russian economy is a midget, 2%. China can overwhelm Russia into submission without firing a single shot. Pootin already quietly gave up some territory to China. ;)

    Crimea.

    Crimea.

    Owning land that has resources eliminates the profits that go to foreign entity. In other words - it’s always the cheapest to you when you own the land. Chinese also have technology, something that Russians don’t. Russian inefficiencies translate to higher costs for China.

    China is getting territorial in the sea with its neighbors. China is overpopulated and Siberia and Far East are almost empty. One conquest could solve a major real estate problem. There are 1.3B Chinese against 140 million Russians, half of whom are alcoholics and drug addicts and most of whom live in European part of Russia. They can literally push Russians off by just walking in.
     
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    I guess this is the start of Putin placing Russia's nuclear assets in cities surrounded by heavy population. As a deterrent to war because of the huge civilian casualties that would be involved.
     
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    They should, but can they even manage to launch something to the moon anymore, let alone try to set up an assembly plant up there? Seems they're only good at achieving earth orbit in Soviet-era capsules launched on Soviet-era rockets, and making cheap weapons to sell to tinpot dictators and warlords.
     
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    They were testing a new weapon so of course the blackout. As one columnist said; it's a pity that the US stopped the arms treaty and that these weapons have to be developed. I believe 5 nuclear scientists lost their lives.
     
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    First of all the missiles in Poland and Romania can be converted to nuclear within a short time and Russia knows that. This is why Putin warned Bush of the consequences. He even blasted the media a few years back for not telling the people what was going on.

    The missiles that we put in Poland and Romania are not under the control of their respective governments. They are under Washington's control. If Washington set them off, Russia would end up killing Poles and Romanians even though they had nothing to do with the attack. This of course is fine with the Washington war mongers, since it gives them leeway to do what they want without fear of reprisal.

    Russia developed its hypersonic missiles to let the Washington war mongers know that if Russia is attacked, then it's the American people that will suffer and not the people in Romania and Poland.

    As for the Cuban missile crises, we believed that Khruschev backed down when confronted by Kennedy - but that was not the case. Khruschev wanted us to remove our missiles in Turkey and Kennedy did remove them. This is why the Russian ship to Cuba turned around and went back.

    To create false narratives about obstinate nations giving in to our assertiveness sets a dangerous precedent and can have horrific consequences.
     
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    You know, there is only one thing I wish you were right about, America backing the Hong Kong Revolution. But sadly, though somewhat inspiring, its nothing more than a bunch of youthful idealists intoxicated with their idealism, and unable to see that their lives are doomed.
     
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    Have you seen the country flags of the protesters? US - stars and stripe, even some UK Union Jacks... No Chinese flags... Why? If you were fighting for freedom of sppech in the USA and were not on salary from Kremlin - would you wave russian three-color and no flag of your own country? :)

    Your prayer is answered - now think who really wants the blood of these 'intoxicated' useful... protesters? Chinese communists? Western propaganda?
     
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    China and US area already at war. The 'hybrid war' uses economical power, political and propaganda resources, color revolutions with a THREAT of military use but no 'conventional war'. Conventional war with US, China, Russia is nuclear war and that is exactly a thing that needs to be avoided.

    There is no positive aims that China has making a war against Russia. We don't have economical problems between us. The size of economy is too different and we organically fit into each others plans. So try to think of a better reason why chinese should make war or even somehow take territories from nuclear Russia, which will not tolerate the attitude as if Russia was Ukraine or another country like that. Even if all the world decides to take Syberia from Russia they won't succeed without a conventional nuclear war. It just needs some understanding. :)



    These are not the aims. These are means to acquire some targets. The land is good if it establishes an entrance to world ocean, for instance. Or if this land grants an access to markets, technologies or resources. But if it does not - there is no use in establishing 'friendly regime' or 'land'.

    Around 300 000 years ago and somewhat 300 years ago land was a synonym to 'the money'. In the world where 99% of the population is peasants, who live in villages and pay taxes - the more land the state has the more money it receives. But since that times the world has changed dramatically. At the moment the land is a burden and a loss. People tend to live in huge cities and the money comes from technologies and industries but not from 'the land'. The money (roads, administrations, protection etc) is only taken by the land.


    Yes. Russian economy is the same percentage as both eyes for the person. Losing both eyes is not a good idea. China certainly is able to protect its interests and bring the prices for russian products down. It's rational. But not necessary. With modern production its quite a question of whether the raw materials or end products are the most money earners. It used to be clear 100 years ago, but the world is changing, markets have changed. Without the raw materials any economy would die. The bigger - the more problems.


    That was about the people. Not the land. Ukraine died in 2014. So at the moment Russia makes money on military bases (Russia would need a fleet worth of billions of dollars to get the same efficiency as it has now with bases on the peninsula - this is the only 'land'factor. The rest is the people. It was them who pay taxes being russian citizens. Ukrainians pay for the debts they have never had any use of to the countries they will never become citizens of. While Ukraine is a hollow 'word' without the actual meaning. When the US and Russia want to have some diplomacy they might talk about Ukraine (or Syria, Venezuela, Iran etc).



    If we play a computer game - this approach works. But in real life you need to pay to the employees, transportation, develop technologies and invest the money. But in case of China - they only need to modify import taxes and agree the price they want pay for the recources. It's much cheaper than doing evrything themselves.


    China is not overpopulated. A few chinese mega (giga-super-duper) cities indeed are. But all the megapolices of China are located near the ocean and no possible city in another hundreds of thousands (millions&) years would require a territory of Siberia size. If we speak of chinese peasants, they didn't manage to settle their own northern China so far. Just look at the pop density map of China. It gives a better understanding of what is and isn't overpopulation.

    With nuclear weapon a group of concentrated huge number of soldiers is something that every commande is dreaming about. One lucky explosion. And the enemy lost a hundred million people. Under these circumstances war against Siberia and Far east - doesn't make sense.
     
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    Ah, Trump is using them as fodder to win his trade war. Hmm. That's one view. Here’s another:

    Hong Kong protesters show no sign of backing down in the face of countless threats

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...irport-demonstration-extradition-bill-11-week
     
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    Cool story. The law they wanted to cancel has been postponed. Beijing heard the people. So if that was the cause the protesters would return to work and the state would initiate discussions on alternatives, will try to convince the people or make another reform if they had any. But these people don't have any interests except for backing the US in its trade war with China. This is why propaganda spreads the stories about the bravery and chinese blood-mongering... Any other logical suppositions? Guess not. The people are driven by propaganda. Their job is to die in order to damage their own country. The job of americans is to see them dieing blaming China in all the sins possible. The job of China is to prevent this - to save the lives of protesters and to protect their market positions.
     
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    No, just because we don’t want to trade with them on current terms does not mean we are at war with them.

    Again, just because we don’t want to buy their **** on current terms doesn’t mean we are at war with them. Pootin wants you to believe we are, but we are not.

    Giant territory rich with raw materials is a good reason.
    You have only 1,200 active nuclear weapons you won’t use them all, not even half on China because you’d make yourself vulnerable to the US. That’s another reason why in a 3-way war China is more likely to side with the US. They have nothing but benefit from it.

    Or raw materials.

    Yes it is.

    Is your IQ really so low? Where and how do you produce “technology” without land and raw materials? How do you feed people in cities?

    Are you a 5th grader?

    Well, then Russia overburdened itself so much, it should spin all those useless territories with their raw materials into independent nations. But we both know you are talking crap in here and this is not the reality of things.

    Ukraine didn’t die. It actually causes a lot of serious economic pain to Russia.
    And how does russia make money on military bases. Is propaganda really so strong there that it completely alters the reality?

    Or, China and the US talk about Russia. ;)

    Geez, I see IQs really are dropping in Russia.
    Let’s say you have raw materials, equal to x. In order to profit you add costs of extraction, y. X+ Y = base cost of raw material. In corrupt Russia, Y could be way above real cost, so the effect is inflated price to China. Why should they overpay when they can price it themselves with their own labor - and trust me they don’t tolerate corruption. ;)


    Russian Far East has a lot of coast line. And raw materials.

    You only have 1,200. That wouldn’t be enough to beat the west and China, especially together. Also, russian quality is well known - probably 30%-40% of your nukes won’t even work. You have no logistical means of waging war overseas, so once you run out of nukes, you get nuked + you become fair game for all survivors.
    Your country became a shithole - no space launches above LEO, brain drain and corruption left it full with addicts and low IQ people. The brightest Russians now work for the US and other countries now. Cartoons that Pootin presents to you are just cartoons. And Chinese have no reason to help you - why would they if they can just march in and take what they want?
     
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    Tell it whatever you like. But this is trade war. Add some information war, coup attempt in Hong Kong and you'll figure out what 'hybrid war' actually is.



    Yeah. Sorry. I keep on forgetting that I must blame of everything what I think.


    Frankly speaking I would rather have a US as an enemy rather than an ally. At least while it is under the power of modern (old) political clans. It is not about China or Russia. It is about the US.



    Trade is much cheaper and much more reliable. Besides, with the current policy of the US China can really capitalize on such a trade.


    Ah. IQ... Try to imagine a tiny island with a several factories representing every high tech possible. The island is tiny, but out of its factories they trade all the technology possible, having lots of people in the huge and rich city in the center of an island. Now imagine endless fields of another state all covered with crops and mines. They have got few people working there. Not that much. No big and rich cities. But really lots of land. They trade their resources transporting them to an island and buying their products. Now tell me which country of the two is more rich. And if you are proud of your IQ please tell the figure which helped you with a conclusion. Thanks. :)

    I am a third... rider of Apocalypse... :)
    I think that our education is quite vivid in what we have already posted. But if you need IQ test results to make your conclusions - it's entirely your own problem.

    If I could change a half of Russia's resources into half of western industry and technologies - I would. Let's put like the above said. :)
    As for spinning useless territories - we already played this game recently. It's a bad move. There are different ways in this world but the only one good way for every country... - its own. :) Russia has its strengths and weaknesses. It doesn't help to turn strengths into weaknesses. So we have to capitalize on what we have. At the moment these are our resources.


    The biggest pain which Ukraine did for Russia is that it died. Russia needed ukrainian factories, infrastructure (for transportation of natural resources to EU). But instead it has a corpse of a failed state betwee itself and one of the traditional markets for russian products. Military bases is not anything new to Russia. We dealt with that throughout centuries and it is certainly not our weakest point. The proganganda in Ukraine about Russia and its scare of NATO bases is just the only and last thing which ukrainians could do for Maidan leeches before their final pass off the world. Noone needs ukrainians alive. Primarily they don't need themselves alive. This is why they lost their independence and state.

    And? :) You live in a strange world where Russia never existed, can't exist, won't exist, and would ruin all of a sudden. Even Ukraine didn't die all of a sudden. Even the USSR didn't get destroyed all of the sudden. There need to be prerequisities for ruining of state. At the moment Russia is the most stable state of the three. It's not that strong as China, or the US, but it's more stable as a state. It could change in a decade. But it would happen in a decade... If happens at all. Some of us are not able to plan for such a long time.

    First of all I wouldn't add production costs to the price of raw materials. I would subtract it and see how much is left for the country. Secondly I would really doubt that a corrupt state of Russia has anything to do with production costs, which are entirely a pain in the ... heads of private management of private companies, which partly are owned by chinese companies in order to get every accessible world practice to lower production costs and get more profit. The state comes when it gets taxes and spreads it between the people... I guess this stage never happened in Ukraine and that's why you don't have such an understanding. So the only thing you could get proud of is that your current master is stronger and better than your neighbour's one... :) That's a pity. But that is your choice. Not all the countries made it like that. I actually don't know that many countries in the world like Ukraine. Even despotic and entirely corrupt regimes in Africa have had some attempts (at least) to make life of their citizens better... This why I say that ukrainian state is dead. It doesn't act. It's dead... It throws your best efforts to useless sacrifice which you agree just because it is 'good for the motherland'. But in fact you and your health and success is much better for your motherland than those clowns who try to act as if they were your motherland... :) Think about yourself. If you don't - noone will.
     
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    Which is priceless for Russia and of no value for China. They have much better coastline already. Without any war. They also have resources of their own. And using Australia and Russia as competition keeps their industry in a good shape.



    Are you sure about that? :) Try to imagine one used. Just imagine it. Imagine all the victims and radiation after that. Imagine that the place where it was used is completely destroyed. Now imagine that not one, but two of these were used. And a city, A military base, a production site is completely gone. Now feel free to divide it by 2 and imagine that 300 cities, of the 'West' and China are gone. Don't even look at the biggest cities. They are primary targets. Find what's left of China and the US after this nightmare and think about the possible way of living or better say survival... Is your IQ enough to imagine these things? If it doesn't help - ask. I will tell you what happens in this case.

    And yes. The same will happen to Russia. This is why no sane person wants this to happen. So ask yourself if you are sane yourself.

    I see what you hope for... But that is slightly not realistic. You have better chance to get a million dollar each from state factories of Ukraine by the end of this year... rather than to participate in attacking defenseless Russia... :)

    Well lots of IQ which makes its victims to regard Russia as a weak country despite the reality really drained from my Motherland. Which was certainly exceptionally good. The US is behind Russia in hypersonic missiles. And their budget is equal to 8 leading military budgets of the rest of the world... :) We certainly have lots of problems. One of the 'cartoons' had a malfunction recently. But we will cope with it. With always did.

    I would say that chinese people don't have an IQ that makes them to think like that... This is why they are a number one world's economy at the moment... Think about it. And forget about IQ. :)
     
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    Did you hear that from Dmitry Kiselev?

    Yep. Treaties that just ended made this data public.

    Run a simulator burst over Moscow. 700kt. You’ll see the limits.
    Russia has most of its nukes in just 100-200 kt range. Your Yars nukes, most of ICBMs you have, were made in Ukraine and their end of life is in the next couple of years. You will replace them with Sarmat missiles. Do you know one major strategic disadvantage of Sarmat? They use liquid propellant. That’s means they stand there in silos without fuel and it takes hours to fill ICBM with fuel. If US attacks first those Sarmat a will never get airborne because by the time they are fueled they’ll be destroyed.
    This is actually a good indicator of Russian brain drain - solid fuel ICBMs are much harder to build because you can’t just “turn off” the engine. Pootin is degrading Russian nuclear forces because Russians themselves don’t trust their skill to build an accurate ICBM that uses solid fuel.

    Look at Russian space launch failures over the last 10 years. Each failure is a worldwide demonstration of your ineptitude.

    It doesn’t matter - a missile fired at Moscow from a sub in Mediterranean or Baltic seas will still make to Moscow sooner than your supersonic missile. The US never banked on AM defenses against Russia.

    Keep drinking Kool Aid from Kiselev. I guess his alternative reality where Russia turns America into nuclear dust gives you some comfort every time you step in a pool of the urine in the elevator of your residential building, or where your monthly’s wage is barely enough to cover your groceries.
     
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    No. It was my ukrainian friends who explained me who Kiselev is. I always thought that this Kiselev was the one who fled from NTV to Ukraine...

    Just look at the coastline of Pacific yourself! Find the biggest chinese ports. Look at the huge infrastructure of theirs. Estimate how warm it is with the ports so close to equator. And then look at Primorye... It is an exceptional region for Russia - yes. It is a possibility to link Moscow with the longest railway in the world with the most eastern port of Russia... But Chinese don't need it! What for? Their project doesn't include Transsib. It is not because they are hostile to Russia. Russia is a part of their 'one way - one belt' project, but they just don't need it. It doesn't make sensse for them! Of Course Japan or western competitors of Russia would gain if something happened to Vladivostok. Of course depopulation is a long term risk. But China has no need in a risky attack over Primorye. Perhaps Mongolia would need it. But that is a different story.



    That goes without saying. But these treaties have ended. And Russia is a nuclear power with plenty of NPPs. Are you sure that it is still like that? Because you see - I had a discussion here if Russia has or doesn't have 'wing rocket' like Tomahawak. I told that 'I think' that we have it, judging on Putin's words. Frankly speaking I expected a single demonstration of those Calibers which were revealed. But I saw a mass strikes in Syria. Which means that Russia has industrial capacity. I don't know where or how. But it is a fact. Since the treaties are finished Russia is no longer bound and needs to do everything needed for safety. So I believe that Russia certainly has more than enough to destroy civilization on the planet. Perhaps it is a different calculation and the use of new weaponry saves money on warheads. I don't know the details, but of what I see is that these tasks were foreseen decades ago, which means that by this time we are ready to what may happen in 5-7 years.


    If we calculate only for Yars and Topol - we would have been in huge troubles. But with the new weaponry Russia is able to deliver nukes fast (with hypersonic) missiles, stealth mode with Calibers sneaky and devastating with Poseidon deep water base for nuclear strategic attack. Russia still has a triade with nuclear rocket bombers (Several modifications) and submarines. So basically Voevoda has done its job decades ago and can quit for pension now. I think that it will outlive still the remnants of ukrainian statehood.

    The US can only perform a hidden strike by Tomhawk rockets. And they used it indeed in Syria. This sudden strike didn't manage to force Assad to leave. Assad outlived every western politician who 'was sure' that he had to leave... :) And all of that happened just because Tomahawks didn't hit the targets. Some of them did. Eventually casualties will happen. But with our AA systems and jamming equipment Russia doesn't fear modern or coming missiles able to perform strikes. So basically it is up to americans to plan those sudden strikes against other countries and keep in mind if the russians are able to repeat their syrian success or not... :) So, Sarmat will have all the time to fuel up and to start while the strategic old Minutemen will be on their go...

    This is why the US broke the agreement for medium and short range missiles... They need to create at least some threat, Because at the moment Russia is only vulnerable to old good ballistic minutemen... And if only Putin changed our doctrine telling the world that Russia retains the right to perform nuclear strike in case of... sanctions... Things would have been very... emotional...

    That is quite a lot of news for me. Because I always used to think that solid fuel is much easier... It's safe, clean. It's cheap to store. It's actually the most ancient sort of artillery... So it is not something new to russian engineers. Besides, Russia has solid fuel type rockets installed on the subs. They have been tested long ago. But you can't get the flexibility from such type of a fuel. Western engineers and managers like this approach. But russian engineers have to engineer in different conditions. Russia is not planning to attack first. It plans to strike back inevitably and devastating. Which is a more complicated task. If we imagine today that one day several bears (of those who fly regularly near US or EU would fly on mission and a sub or two manages to escape from NATO forces their first launch would destroy strategic missiles quite easily. The problem however is that US has so many aims around the globe with nuclear rockets. It will be quite tough to destroy all of them and Russia will have to attack plenty of countries including the US just to win the first stage. This doesn't leave any spoils of war and makes it useless.
    But Russian strategic rockets need to get better impulse from the start. We have american SAM missiles in Poland (so far not but it is inevitable) and their mission is to catch nuclear strategic rockets. So we don't have time here to wait until solid fuel creates an impulse. Beside. there is a need to maneuver. American rockets don't maneuver. Russian - do. And it is also a necessity and task for engineering which affects choice of fuel. Unfortunately we can't afford saving on safety and ecology. We have to stay awake being ready to counterstrike in minutes after the attack is registered. This is actually a risk for the world. While Trump plays in an attempt to win a billion or two - we could destroy the globe if our detection system shows a false signal... It can be happening now and the losses would be much more than even the US debt...

    Everyone makes mistakes. Only those who do nothing make no mistakes.


    You need to do some maths... :) You will get surprised. But you need to understand that the rockets from Black sea will start with a speed less than the sonic speed... If we talk of tomahawks, of course. But I really doubt that it would be able to damage even Crimea...
    With medium and small range missiles there are some other options so judging on the level of their readiness the US has more threats which Russia is not able to evade without a loss... But that is not our aim. Breaking the balance means nuclear war.

    Thanks for your sincere worries about Russia and the US but it would mean at least something if you managed not even to protect your own country, but at least not to get it into deadly troubles. :) At the moment I don't believe that you really mean it.
     
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    Tamahawk is not the only missile on the subs.

    And your anti ballistic missile defense covers only Moscow. And these anti ballistic missiles are nuclear missiles themselves!

    PS - that’s why nobody takes Russians seriously anymore. Just a bunch of savages with old nukes.
     
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    If I saw here any serious objections against my words - I would probably come up with a counterargument.
    Ballistic missiles are not good for sneak attack. Tomahawks are able to virtually crawl near the surface which makes them unseen for the radars, which cannot see over the horizon. Besides, I said several times that the US is not at all unprotected. Moreover I told that Russia would be definetely destroyed in case of nuclear war.
    Nuclear explosion above Moscow creates an easy and sufficient shield against all the nukes trying to get through. It is cheap and efficient. But of course it isn't the most safe. Afterall during the war there are no safe places on the globe so that makes all the sense to accept it without getting frustrated after the start of the war when all the lies are already not that important as they are for you at the moment.

    I understand that the dechristened West really turned into a bunch of aggressive, ill-natured barbarians with nukes. It is vividly seen in their lies, propaganda to the people absebnce of principles and values and spread of sexual deviations usually accompanying the degrading society. But I am not going to feel any superior to these people. I am not any better myself. Russians are not any better. I just want to find the way out if it exists or to die trying. So I do take you seriously. With all the amazing weaknesses I found. You don't. But it's your choice. And even if you were right and all the world really followed your path it wouldn't add any actual value to such a stupid and irresponsible action.
     
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    4 Russian nuclear monitoring stations go silent days after explosion. What do you make of this?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/19/...-stations-russian-missile-facility/index.html

    (CNN)Four Russia-based nuclear monitoring stations that monitor radioactive particles in the atmosphere have mysteriously gone quiet after an August 8 explosion at a Russian missile testing facility, an explosion that has sparked confusion and concerns about possible increases in radiation levels, according to the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization.

    CTBTO is an independent body which watches for nuclear weapons testing violations with over 300 monitoring stations around the world. Both Russia and the US are signatories to the treaty.
     
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    I never believed the MSM that this was a rocket. You test a rocket with a dummy warhead, same dimensions and mass, but totally inert, of which I once helped to manufacture many. You don't want anything to go wildly wrong, and you don't want to make your secrets recoverable if the nuke didn't go off.

    Putin is an intelligent man, and I don't believe he wants to end Russia and the Russian Orthodox religion forever.
     
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    Why do you think 4 out of 5 Russian nuclear monitoring stations went off line just days after the explosion?
     
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    Do you really think Russia have only 5 nuclear monitoring stations? Not tired of discussing fake news? Dosimeter costs less than 100$ .
     
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    Nothing. Absolutely nothing. 2 are in southwest Russia which wouldn't pick up anything because of prevailing winds and the other 2 are so far out in Siberia it wouldn't matter anyway. LOCAL readings were just above normal background radiation levels. The amounts they are talking about...and I've seen with my own eyes from locals with meters...are less than you would get if you went on a plane from New York to Moscow.

    Russia is testing a nuke-powered missile. It blew up. The end. We've tried the same type of nuke-propelled missile and couldn't make it work.

    If they can make it work it's a whole new ballgame.

    I'll be over there in a couple of weeks. I'll check to see if I glow in the dark after a few days.
     
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    The, or a, slogan of the Russian nuclear power plant industry used to be,
    мирный атом в каждом доме -- "Meerny atom [long 'O'] v kazhdom domyeh" (it rhymes). "The Peaceful Atom in Every Home".
    That was before Chernobyl. Maybe you could ask if they still use that slogan.
     
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    Maybe I should ask Ukrainians, where Chernobyl is. Maybe I should go to Japan and ask them about Fukushima? Maybe I go to Pennsylvania and ask them about Three Mile Island?

    No, I think I'll just lay off the fake news.
     

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