Australia to send warship and Defence Force personnel to Middle East to support US

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's amazing how many Aussies will rubbish the American people and their leaders but withhold any criticism of those who actually murdered thousands of Australians, and still boast about it, during two world wars. What's the matter with you people? Are you that easily propagandized?
     
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    No its more like a vasall relationship. USA asks jump and al Australia asks is "How high?"
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No it started when the US went back on an International treaty that Iran was keeping and then started sanctions on Iran for keeping that treaty, then demanded the rest of the world also keep the US illegal sanctions on Iran or the US would economically destroy them. You are there to be part of the physical war.
     
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    Drop all nuclear programs, learn to stay at home, and the sanctions, upon verification, will be lifted. It's not realistic to allow nuclear weapons in the hands of seventeenth century religious fanatics and the civilized word understands that. Iranians should understand it also.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There was no US treaty with Iran.
     
  6. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You clearly know nothing about US/Australia relations either. This is why you keep losing and have never had reliable allies.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
     
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  7. Bush Lawyer

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    Whoa right there. Right there. I have never ever rubbished the 'American people.' I have been very critical of Trump like most of the World is.

    What are you referring to?
     
  8. Bush Lawyer

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    Sobo...if you want dialogue with me.....first, you tell me what Aussie Naval asset (the largest, you said) was destroyewd by a German gunboat in WW2.
     
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    Im not jealous. I saw a memorial in Sydney last year. Their biggest warship was sunk by us...from a small merchant vessel with a hidden gun. All their crew died.

    They acted kinda dumb. Our ship was kinda small and appeared like a dutch trading vessel. But it had a massive cannon installed and hidden inside.

    The crew of our vessel lured them closer by pretending to be a dutch trader. So the Australian battle ship closed in...getting closer and closer planning an inspection.

    The Australians were totally unaware they were lured into a death trap. It was abit like the Into of "It". :D

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    Once they were lured close enough...our captain ordered to fire teh cannon right into their bridge. Their entire officer cops incl. commanders got killed instantly. A 2nd shot was fired that ripped through their entire vessel and lett the mmo depot burn. They sunk and not one crew member was left alive.

    They have a nice memorial there. It depicts a moruning mother watching out for her son, hoping for his return

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    Too this date its the biggest size difference in a naval battle ever. Never before and never again sunk such a small vessel such a massive warship
     
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    A great part of german economic power stems from the EU. Also the EU makes it impossible for USA or China to bully the individual nations into submission.
     
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    HMS Sydney. You dont know it?
     
  12. Bush Lawyer

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    How high? One Navy vessel. One aeroplane with support personnel. That high. Wow.
     
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    This is what makes me laugh. With a 2% GDP spending on our military, Germany would become a military giant and @Thedimon celebrates that and doesnt realize what that means.

    So @Thedimon you think its a good thing that the orange goon wants that Germany rises to become 2nd strongest military in the world?
     
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    So you just show up as a poodle?

    Look, USA asked Germany to join there too and we simply rebuffed it. Why cant you do what we can?
     
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    @Bush Lawyer here i wrote it down what we destroyed. I felt great pride at that memorial. It appears we got your country hard since it obviously plays a big role in your culture.
     
  16. Bush Lawyer

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    Oh yes. And which mere gun boat was it? Was it a cowardly disguised German cruiser merchant raider Kormoran...which The Brisbane also sent to the bottom?

    Not too sure I'd be happy about an ambush. But. Deutschland uber Alles, ey?

    Link.
     
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  17. Bush Lawyer

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    Because we choose to honour Agreements. What Germany did......meh.
     
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    Almost all our crew survived, all your crew died.

    Your crew acted very foolish. Our crew did not act cowardly. It acted smart. They lured your flagship into a trap.

    A small merchant cruise sunk your biggest and most modern war ship.

    Here in Germany the Kormoran has legendary status and extreme honor.

    Here an article in Spiegel one of German most popular media

    https://www.spiegel.de/geschichte/seefahrt-a-949203.html

    It says in headline: "The Kormoran is a legend of the seas, in 1941 the freighter sunk an australian war ship - outstanding achievement, never repeated and unique in history"
     
  19. Bush Lawyer

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    Gee, I guess you won WW2 then. Well done.
     
  20. Bush Lawyer

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    Maybe it was WW1. I get so confused.

    Sobo......I am not happy to get involved in this stuff, but if you want to play this game, only one of us can win. You know that. Leave it well alone. I am not here to insult.
     
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    In a way we won WW II. Who in 1945 would have thought that Germany rises again to be dominant power of Europe within such a short time? In 1955 Germany already had higher living standard than UK or Australia.

    Its no argueing or insults. Events can be viewed very different. You see the events of the Kormoran battle as cowardly. We see it as heroic.

    Look...our captain was responsible for his crew. All young men. Things were like they were. When the Sydney approached, he had no other chance to save his crew. The chances of winning this fight were slim. All he could do was to lure the australians into a trap. If the Sydney attacked from a distance, all our crew would have been dead within minutes.

    He suceeded and saved over 90% of his men, who were treated good in Australia btw. No one of them ever said something bad about their treatment in Australia. We dont see your country as enemy.

    I enjoyed my stay in Australia. Was fun there and assumed people there like Germany. When we were in Leura we got invited by local grandmas who made us german food. It was funny and they were really cool.

    We just wish you would get independend.
     
  22. Bush Lawyer

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    Mate, I am gonna slap you down here.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/quality-of-life-rankings

    That German Captain won. No doubt about that.

    Further, that Captain had no place in the Southern Indian ocean other than to be a cowardly predator flying a false flag. It was there to destroy any Allied merchant ship it came upon. Pretending to be a Dutch sheep. Heroic stuff. So, Brisbane...being honourable and not standing off to blast Kormoran out of the water as it easily could......closes in to have a look. 'Sheep' turns into a wolf and an entire Aussie crew died. That would never ever be an event I would boast about. No German flag flying until it was too late. Neat ambush. It occurred thousands of miles from Gernmany. You were marauding in the south Indian Ocean under flase colours. Be proud.

    Great. I have lots of German friends here. On my Mother's side, I am of Prussian heritage. My latest favourite Germnan town is Ulm where the Mother of a friend of my Daughet's hails from.

    We already are. But, if some super power comes after us.....we are gonna come second.
     
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    Your own link shows we are richer than Australia

    Germany, the most populous nation in the European Union, possesses one of the largest economies in the world and has seen its role in the international community grow steadily since reunification.

    As for your comment regarding our captain. He was not there out of free will but because he was ordered there. Just as your crew is ordered into persian gulf now. You have no place in the persian gulf just as ours had no place in indian ocean. The difference is, our captain got ordered by his own government, yours from a foreign government.

    One thing though, we germans have evry right to be in southern indian ocean. Free seas comrade or do you want lock us into north sea and baltic sea?

    We see Australia very positive in Germany, why you think i made vacation there?

    One thing though you say we should not be proud? You know that british acted even worse?

    You know when two German submarines saved over 600 british passengers and crew from a sunken british ship during WW II?

    They were placed on the submarines deck to bring them into safety. Later that day a british aircraft saw them and the submarines asked for assistance.

    You know what the brits did? They send attack aircrafts to sink those two submarines. The brits started attacking so the commanders of both subs were forced to dive. They were able to save 60 passengers by bringing them inside as the subs bot dived down but large majority of survivors left on deck died.

    Guess you dont learn about the crimes of your side in that war. You know whats funny? Both sub marine commanders were sued after WW II and even the allied courts could not convict them, because the allies acted too barbaric in that case. So even allied judges after the was set both free, saying they had no other choice in that case.
     
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  24. Bush Lawyer

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    I have made my point. You have made yours. It ends there as far as I am concerned.
     
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    How about this: we do none of what you say and see where it ends.
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    I am a lot more worried about religious fanatics who want to take America to biblical days, while also plotting Rupture, than any we may have. The 17th century in Iran wasn't all that bad: it gave us one of the most beautiful cities in the world in Isfahan, the capital of the Safavid empire, with works of art and architecture that still seem better than what is being produced in the 21st century!
     
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