British Parliament suspended

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  1. modernpaladin

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    It didn't say they would leave with one either. It was just a vote to leave.
     
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  2. MissingMayor

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    You were the one claiming ignorance.
     
  3. free man

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    No, I was asking you to back your claims, which you failed time after time.
    I guess, for you, anyone who does not think like you is ignorant, sorry this is not your labor party meeting, here people have actually to back their claims.
     
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    You specifically said that you don't know if there is an obligation or not. There is an obligation of the UK for projects that they committed to and the budget for a year and a half. It has been well reported. The amounts aren't entirely overwhelming, but you would be hard pressed to deny they exist. Pretending that they don't could risk far greater exposure.
     
  5. NMNeil

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    Of course it is their best interest for Brexit to fail.
    If after Brexit the UK arranges lucrative trade deals and shows signs of economic growth then how many other countries, who are dissatisfied with the EU dictatorship will follow suit?
     
  6. gnoib

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    The loss of UK contribution to the EU is not so bad. If one tallies everything up, its just around 6 or 7 billions.
    The disruption of trade will be the biggest problem and there the UK will be the biggest looser, as the Johnson government already has lined out in the leaked papers. From gasoline to food to medical supply shortages.
    Good luck with that.
     
  7. Thedimon

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    Those papers stressed the temporary nature of the problem.
     
  8. gnoib

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    I agree, if Brexit will be the predicted catastrophe, it would strengthen the EU.
    But it is in nobodies real interest in Europe to have the UK go down the drain, the 40 year old ties are to close..
    But the mess at hand is UK made, entirely and has destroyed the UK political system.
    The suspension for political cause and not for tradition is a rather slippery slope.

    Trade deals take quiet some time to get hammered out.
    Years of negotiation.
    Mind you, for the last 40 years it was done by the EU for the UK.
    The UK does not have those highly skilled negotiators anymore and their highly skill stuff. You do not find them just over night.
    To replace all the services of the EU, the UK has to find over 40,000 skilled government workers.
     
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    But what will those temporary conditions do to the economy.
    If the predictions of the government are just half true, than the UK will be in a serious recession within weeks. Because it is not just food and meds, its everything else, every industrial sector will be hit with the same problem.
    Supplies of any kind into the UK and from the UK, will be delayed for days and weeks.
    Sure that will create problems within the EU, but there they have the ability to use other sources from other countries and have been planning on a no deal for quiet some time. The UK can not supplement in that short a period. Nearly half of its economy is EU.
    Todays ware house are on wheels, on trucks. UK factories might have a weeks supply on hand, if so much, same for whole sale which supplies groceries stores.
    You disturb that constant on wheels ware house supply chain, lights out.
     
  10. Montegriffo

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    The UK had to hire negotiators from Europe to negotiate an exit deal with the EU on our behalf. How messed up is that?
     
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    Is that what you call the huge cost of leaving?
    Dismantling this is very easy.
    What you call cost was going to be payed anyhow by UK had it stayed in EU. What is more, it has been paying them for so long and would have continued to pay them forever. Now that breakxit comes it will be the end of it.
    In addition, they are part of the pseudo agreement May did. There is no commitment to it, as the agreement was never aproved by parliament. Further more, since berxit comes with no deal, it means no deal. EU cannot demand a deal that does not exist and since it refuses to negociate, nothing UK needs to do.
    So in fact what you call cost of leaving is actually the cost of staying and it is saved when leaving, some argue immidiatly, some argue in a year time.
     
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    Without a controlled land border on the island of Ireland there will be no brexit, because 'leave' is not the same as stay joined'.
     
  13. modernpaladin

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    Thats the same crap they been saying about Trump for 3 years, yet here we are, economy rolling, constitution intact and fixing to re-elect him.

    So much fearmongering.
     
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    I accept that America thinks Trump is the best they can come up with, that is the business for Americans to come to terms with.
    Boris Johnson was elected Prime Minister by 92,153 members of the Conservative Party, way less by any measure than the mandate received by Trump in America.
    For that reason I would say that unlike Trump, the United Kingdom would not say that Boris Johnson is the best the country can come up with, his mandate as a percentage of the UK electorate is miniscule.
    That is not a fear mongering position.
    From a personal perspective I believe Boris Johnson to be more evil than even Donald Trump, because at least Americans have reference to a constitution to help protect them from Trump, in the UK we don't have that kind of rule book to call upon. So Boris Johnson and his dark forces are trying to game play the UK system in order to circumvent convention and enrich his circle of power hungry hedge fund friends.
    To add dressing to an aspect of Boris Johnson's character he describes (dismisses?) black people as 'picanninnies with watermelon smiles), which has some resonance with the kind of dismissal where some Americans describe parts of Africa as 'shitholes'.
     
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    The UK cant sign lucrative trade Deals. It has No negotiation Power.
     
  16. modernpaladin

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    Im curious what is the quote and context of the 'picaninnies with watermelon smiles'?

    Totally agree on the dangers of not having a constitution, however it seems me such dangers exist no matter who is in charge.

    And to be fair, we view plenty of non-black countries and even some of our own cities as 'shitholes' as well. The metric is not racial, but rather social, taking into account the wealth disparity, quality of life and/but primarily, the violence rate.
     
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    Parliament wasn't doing its job anyway. Shut it down.
     
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    OK here is an interesting article on the Shenanigans of the supposed British Constitution and where Britain, a once Liberal democracy will go next. (Cummings for people who do not know is the man in charge, not Johnson. He is against Parliamentary Democracy.)


    He spends the main part of the article going over how the Tories have always thought their constitution was the best of the lot - coming of course from elite times. The UK has never had a Democratic Constitution never mind a written one. He also points out that one of the reasons these gentlemen thought our unwritten constitution was so good was because it relied on them acting in a 'gentlemanly manner'. Charter 88, an attempt to get secure democracy in the UK, thought Thatcher had got rid of anything resembling a constitution which the UK had. This article suggests May was at every way and which going against it and that any concept of a Constitution has been long degrading - since the Tories lost Thatcher no less - or was it as Charter 88 thought from Thatcher herself. The auther looks at other countries calling themselves Democracies which are not..and then comes to his conclusions for where the UK now go. I would think regardless of the first two, the third is a pretty much a given.

    https://www.juancole.com/2019/08/johnsons-british-constitution.html
     
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    Too bad "we" can't suspend Congress.


    On the other hand, the power is to call recessed Congress into Special Session.
    Obama "let" his Congress adjourn for the Summer recess, shelving ObamaCare.
    Over that Summer the Democrats lost control of Congress!
    Obama should have insisted they not shelve ObamaCare or face Special Session
    over Congress' precious Summer recess.
    Stupid is as Stupid does. Obama was stupid to be so "okay" with that recess.
    Did he really have such low leadership aptitude or was it collusion for a more GOP diluted, ObamaCare for his Medical Insurance company buddies?

     
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    The context was he wrote it in his newspaper column.
    He has written other racist crap too, easy to Google it.
    Boris Johnson might come across any which way to Americans, but many on this side of the Atlantic see him as a Prince of Darkness.
    He was an appalling Mayor of London (my home town), he thinks brazen bluster can excuse anything, ask the mothers of his six or seven children.
     
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    It doesn't need it. The US would love a business deal as would many other countries.
     
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    Boris has just lost his first ruling. Parliament has voted by a majority of 27 to take over Parliament from the Government tomorrow. This will allow them to put in legislation against a No Deal.

    Boris is now talking about calling a General Election but he must get 2/3rd of Parliament to agree with this.

    Not so easy for Boris now Parliament is back.
     
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    Yes! Most people don't get it. Obamacare gave the insurance companies millions of new customers and billions of dollars on our dime. Most have no clue how it works. This is why it will never be repealed. Remember the Johnathan Gruber hearing? He admitted it was a tax and the people were duped. An hour after Senator Feinstein had a "new report" on the treatment of terrorist detainees (which we knew about for over a decade). Gruber's testimony was buried as the media relentlessly covered the Feinstein report for two days. Very powerful people.
     
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    With Congress so marginally Democratic Party controlled
    Obama could have shown leadership aptitude and called
    Congress into Special Session to deal with ObamaCare.
    A prod to get Congress to deal with it before Summer recess.
    Had any ex-Senator President ever demonstrated Leadership aptitude?
    If a candidate is a senator, they get a down grade in my assessment.

    Our Prez can't suspend Congress,
    but, he can call them into Special Session during a recess.
    A Hot, Humid, Unpleasant, Washington, D.C. Summer recess.
     
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    Not likely. The lobbyists and corporations wouldn't like to deal with that, it's easier to get what they want done before they go on vacay, and they are the ones who write the bills and make the deals, not our "noble leaders." They are just scenery for the public.
     
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