Times when you hate to be right...

Every mass shooter except 1 could have been stopped, and most of them should have been stopped under existing laws.

Show me a mass shooter that wouldn't have been stopped under existing law, but would be stopped by "licensing and registration".

 

Some people think that laws stop criminals and penalizing law abiding citizens is the answer. Murder is against the law. How's that working out?

 

A mass shooter doesn't even care if they die.

"Oh no, after I'm dead, they'll put me in jail for having an unlicensed, unregistered weapon. I'm really be in trouble."

 

Do you know how many unlicensed drivers there are out there and how many cars that aren't registered or have expired registrations ?

Did you know that in California an illegal alien driving an unregistered car will likely not have his car impounded because illegal aliens are a protected class in California.

Do you know that it's a federal crime for an illegal alien to own or possess a firearm but in California local law enforcement are not allowed to turn the illegal alien over to federal law enforcement for prosecution.

 

Gun grabbers only follow feelings based on what they see on TV and in Movies and not logic.

 

"Give your guns to us, we'll protect you" says the people who can't keep drugs and weapons out of prisons.

 

All for it. But registering and licensing firearms isn’t legal.

 

The problem here is that those who argue against no change keep saying this one change will not stop shootings. The problem is probably never going to be totally solved, but the problem can be reduced by taking steps to make it more difficult. Its kinda like building a wall it wont stop everybody who wants to cross, but it may make it more difficult and perhaps fewer will cross. Being able to track guns back to their origin might stop putting guns in the hands of some people. Holding those who illegally provide weapons responsible for their actions might make it harder for the under the table weapons trade.

I have asked here on multiple occasions for suggestions from gun enthusiasts for steps that might reduce the number of incidents or deaths in those incidents. So far there has been little involvement. I am afraid if they are unwilling to take part in this discussion they may be disappointed with decisions that out of necessity will be eventually made

 

No one is arguing that something shouldn't be done.

Doing stuff that will do nothing than make you feel better because you "did something" is ridiculous, especially when the only people you're affecting are people who don't break the law in the first place.

Here's the truth: we already have every law we could ever need to stop nearly ALL mass shootings.

The PROBLEM is: when the government fails to do it's job....when the government is incompetent....certain groups of people start screaming to give the government more power.

What you have done is INCENTIVIZED the government to be a complete pile of ****.

You're talking about holding people accountable.

THE SAME PEOPLE ARE NOT BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE NOW!

People are not prosecuted for trying to buy a gun illegally. People who commit crimes with guns are plead down to community service. Frickin CA is releasing as many criminals as it can as fast as it can.

The last guy they released went on a damn stabbing spree.

An ILLEGAL ALIEN deported 7 times who STOLE a government agents gun then SHOT a woman in broad daylight got found INNOCENT of murder and THEN the damn GUN CHARGES were dropped!

Are we living in a damn mental institution??

 

but it can be made legal. I assume that laws requiring a license for concealed or open carry are legal. That's a start.

 

Why should there be any involvement? I don't think many care how many gun laws your city or state has, so have fun and throw up as many roadblocks as you think will work.

Let us know how it goes.

 

To keep and bear arms is a constitutional right.

To keep, own and drive a vehicle is a privilege.

I'm glad that I was able to clear that up for ya!

 

Only way is via amending the constitution.

CCW laws have not been challenged in court. And CCW only applies to carrying in public. The government can’t require you to license and register to carry on your own property.

Licensing and registering firearms is illegal. An amendment is required to do it.

 

Criminals don't obey laws.

 

I think you can own an unregistered vehicle. You just can't drive it on public roads. I rode dirt bikes all over the mountains when I was younger. No license plate, no registration, no lights, and no nothing. It was perfectly legal. You don't even need a driver's license to do that.

 

True.

 

How about, if a government clerks fails to do their job and property register a convict's criminal history, or a mentally ill person's past, in the federal database, they are charged with a felony. A good number of shootings would have been prevented had the shooter's criminal and mental health records been properly registered. So we need to stamp out imcompetency.

 

Ending the gun show loophole would help. In most states, a private seller doesn't have to perform any form of background check. In fact, most black market weapons comes from private owners. This is who they get around background checks.

 

Then there ya go. Tell your governor that you would like your state to end that loophole so that gun owners can't sell to anybody without first performing a background check. I hear Illinois did that, which is just one more speedbump to keep people from shooting each other.

How's that working in Chicago?

 

How’s that working in Milwaukee, or Louisville? Not well at all, but those are Republican states, where Republicans don’t care who gets shot.

 

Milwaukee and Louisville aren't states. They are cities run by democrats.

 

In states run by Republicans. What’s your point ?

 

I was correcting your obvious error.

Look, I'm not the one talking about speedbumps and legislation that might work to help save some lives. Hell, I don't really care all that much about saving lives. I got used to reading about drive bys and clocktower shootings before it was legal for me to drink.

I've seen how the left keeps making inroads on freedoms that I personally value more than the lives of people I don't even know. Seatbelt laws meant I had to wear a seatbelt because some idiots I don't know or care about managed to get killed in accidents. Helmet laws meant I had to wear a helmet, then the various smoking bans because idiots went to bars and complained that people smoked in restaurants, then bars, then in movie theaters, and... just... stop!

I really don't care about people who die because we have certain freedoms. What I do care about are the laws that keep telling me what not to do because Joe Shmoe died.

Sorry, but just don't care.

 

Ban all the things!

 

NO it won't. Dude should never have had a gun. He was a convicted unpardoned felon. The minute he tried to buy a gun his ass should have been back in the slammer. It wasn't why not? While the Assault weapons ban was in place there were exactly eight Federal prosecutions of people who were prohibited from buying fire arms who tried to buy such weapons. No back ground checks will prevent anything if you aren't willing to bust the perps who try to buy guns they aren't legally permitted to have.