Is older better?

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    It's true that no Gospel was named. But people called the various texts by traditional
    names - and those traditions were bound up in who actually wrote them, in my opinion.
    For instance you could have had, in say the middle First Century, two Gospel accounts.
    You would say, "This is John's and this is Luke's." And hence the names.
    There's a grainy relationship between the Gospel names and what we know of the
    putative authors. Fer instance John's Gospel is quite similar to John's letters and the
    man described in the Gospels (he even, when it came to mentioning his own name,
    chose to simply write "the one whom Jesus loved." We understand.
    And Luke, whether he was a physician or not, was the great historian of the First
    Century Christian church. Though he never met Jesus he certainly was in the Ministry
    and traveled to Rome with Paul - probably also in chains. His Acts ends quite suddenly,
    ca 65-66 AD.
     
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    Wine gives me a headache so I never partake.
     
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    A typical reply from you and a lazy one at that
     
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    Truth. The Bible is the Word of God. Jesus is the Word made flesh. Nothing lazy about that.
     
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    You claim that Islam is an Abrahamic religion. Show me. You call me lazy, so show me why Islam is an Abrahamic religion. Go ahead.
     
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    That wasn't what I was 'claiming'. I did disagree with all your points in your little post, but I was just now only pointing out that you often reply Scripture as a response to evidence. You have to be able to show it from the Scripture.

    But since it's all you want to talk about, islam is an Abrahamic religion because Muslims believe in the God of Abraham.
     
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    Many of the young Earthers and such are far right conservative Christians about 12 to 15% of all Christians.

    The rest of us Christians generally ignore this stuff when it come out.
     
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    If muslims believed in the God of Abraham they would be Jews or Christians.
     
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    Scripture =s myth/legends/unproven claims. That plus circular logic and a suspension of critical thinking.
     
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    Regarding the OP, I'm tolerably ancient and definately better, so, yes.
     
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    Pointless question in this situation. You are dealing with beliefs. So the right answer to your question is "whatever you believe."
     
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    Good luck.
     
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    IF.... it is true that the being of light of near death experience fame is none other than
    Messiah Yeshua - Jesus - Issa in his glorified immortal form keeping at least two of his promises from while
    he was human...... then some of the clearest and most easily understood spiritual truths are being revealed in near death experience accounts.


    John 16:25 "These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father."

    John 5:22 "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"


    The LIFE REVIEW part of the near death experience may be the Son.... judging each of us after we die????/

    3. The Life Review of Howard Storm
     
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    The common consensus is that they were written in Greek, but some evidence suggests they were written in Hebrew, and then translated into Greek.

    http://www.yashanet.com/studies/matstudy/mat3b.htm

    A study of the writings of the Christian "Church Fathers" shows that much of the "New Testament" was written in Hebrew. This includes direct statements made by; Papias, Ireneus, Origin, Eusubius, Epiphaneus, Jerome and Clement of Alexandria.
     
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    Why do you believe an ancient ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale? A case can be made that people who believe stuff like that have severe mental deficiencies.

    BTW, King David was one scummy person. He might have started out good as a child but when he became an adult he was pure garbage and rotten to the core.
     
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    OK. Call them that then if it helps you.
     
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    Whatever you believe.
     
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    .... Getting a logical response from you.
     
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    What easily understood scriptural truth does it reveal to see dreams on the verge of death?
     
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    Interestingly enough no such case has ever been made.
     
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    Re King David. My point was that quite recently it was common for critics to say there was "No Such Person"
    because they think "no evidence" means "Didn't Exist."
    What is commendable about the bible was that it portrayed David in all his humanity. His dealings with Solomon
    before he died is quite remarkable for its tidy ruthlessness. But this is what kings did, and for the most part, what
    kings HAD to do.
    If you have a kingdom and its broken up, ie Edom, Moab etc then the people lose all identity between three to five
    generations. The bible says that Jews will remain a tiny people, in a tiny land, for all the generations. And remarkably,
    the six million or so Jews in Jesus' day should be a nation of several hundred million today - if they survived at all.
    Yet still today, the Jews are here, and they are a small minority.
    As for a Middle Eastern ethnocentric POV. In the 19th Century people mocked notion that Jews would go home
    to Israel after 1900 years. And mocked the idea the biblical accounts of the wars to come, involving all the nations,
    in Israel itself (ie Ezekiel 38 and then Armageddon) could ever happen. No one is mocking now. Well, maybe you.
     
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    Maybe it is because people used to get killed or tortured for voicing such ideas?
     

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