Reflecting on abortion <<Moderator's Warning >>

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by ARDY, Aug 31, 2019.

  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Are you?



    Have a lawyer show me that law......
    the "girlfriendhood contract !!!! OH, my hilarious....LOLOLOLO!!!!!!


    In law, consenting to one act is NOT consenting to any other act...…

    Agreeing to be in a relationship is not a law....(OMG!)
     
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    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    No, but if government declares fetuses legal persons and forces women to gestate then the government OWNS that kid and should care for it from CONCEPTION to grave...
     
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    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    Well, you don't really need roads if you kill the next generation. :D
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    God is in control....not me, and you don't like it one bit! Can you control the day you die? Someday you'll realize. It could be in the last minutes.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ......and if you do away with fossil fuel, horses and cows!
     
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    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    All we need is flower-power and pot!
     
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    Of course. Anyone who truly believes in their faith wants it applied to everyone because they want everyone to gain the benefits from it.
     
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    Renee said:
    And those who are worshippers of the man in the sky are hypocrites . You want your religion to affect me and control me.


    But it should never be forced on anyone....
     
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    I don 't know of any Christians who want to force their religion on anyone. But given we are talking about abortion even if I were an atheist I would like to think I would oppose elective (health of mother not an issue) abortion.

    And I'm pretty certain there are atheists and agnostics who feel the same about abortion.
     
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    I'm sure there are, too BUT no matter who tries to force their religious beliefs on others( Christians, Muslims, Budhists, etc.) , they are wrong to do so.

    IF they try to legislate their religious beliefs that means they are trying to force their beliefs on others...
     
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    I am an atheist and I believe abortion is wrong. So, you are right; we do exist. And, as a Libertarian, I am against force n its broadest sense. :)
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This Atheist opposes abortion (for me and mine) but also understands I do net get to decide for anyone else.
     
  13. Renee

    Renee Well-Known Member

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    You are the one believes you have the moral ground because you believe in an invisible man in the sky.....I never profess to have the moral ground. You do!
     
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    Liberal ideology shows concern for people......religious ideology shows hypocrites who rationalize reasons not to help those in need or are different
     
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    You mean those in need? Is that how you see the elderly and children and the poor? By the way who provides cradle to grave substance? I’m sure you are opposed to Social Security and Medicare because after all old people are weak minded (sarcasm alert)
     
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    And I am sure there are plenty of religious people who believe in a woman’s right to choose
     
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    Does that include devil worshippers? Is it OK for them to impose their beliefs on you ? They think you’ll gain from their beliefs
    I don’t think people gain from religion.....so is it ok for me to impose atheism on you? I think you will gain a lot from believing in yourself rather than the supernatural
     
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    Yabba,
    Yes.... people can become emotionally attached to a pregnancy. But this is purely psychological.

    If someone THINKS (even mistakenly) they are pregnant, they can become attached.... particularly is they REALLY want a baby.

    Otoh.... it is apparently true that very early miscarriages can occur... even before the woman is aware of the pregnancy. If a woman is unaware of a miscarriage..... she will obviously not have a psychological reaction to the event

    My point is that the reaction you describe does not confirm the sanctity of life in the womb. What it illustrates is a genetically programed human reaction. In order to make reproduction most likely to be successful, we are genetically programed to have such reactions.... even during pregnancy.

    We are not only programmed to be protective of babies and children.... we are even programed to be protective of parents who we observe being protective of their children.... as was your reaction to your son’

    But lets accept that your sons family had a loving reaction to the potential baby. And that you had a strong reaction to observing your son’s family go through this situation (and please accept my sincere condolences for your family ordeal).... still, IMO your families reactions do not give us information about some idealized and sanctified life that exists in the womb from the moment of conception
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We all know that humans... particularly young humans .... are strongly biologically and Psychologically driven to have sex.... teens are driven by their hormones..... they are not “making choices” to take on or share their DNA. Teens do not choose to share their DNA any moer than cats or dogs “choose” to share their DNA. Its hormones Bro

    It isa fact that we all make choices that have unintended consequences....
    and that we become responsible for even unintended consequences of our actions
    But unintended consequences are called accidents
    And IMO it is a bit strange to regard an accident with reverential hushed sanctity
     
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    A woman's right to choose what?

    I believe in a woman's right to choose whatever she wants as long as that choice does not infringe upon the freedoms of others.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Okay...so you agree abortion should remain an option as there is NO ONE else involved.
     
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    It doesn't.

    However, those who want to pass anti-abortion legislation (taking away women's right to their own bodies) DO infringe on the rights of others (women)...
     
  23. TurnerAshby

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    Yes he is legally responsible for a fetus a fetus progresses to a human stage.

    GIVE MEN PAPER ABORTIONS FROM THE FETUS AND ANYTHING MAY BECOME! IF SHE CAN KILL IT HE CAN WALK AWAY FROM IT AND ANYTHING IT MAY BECOME
     
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    Yep and add paper abortions that allow men to waive responsibility from the fetus and anything it may become
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That would make sense.
     
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