Reflecting on abortion <<Moderator's Warning >>

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  1. TurnerAshby

    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

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    Then why is a man charged with double murder for killing a pregnant woman?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Liberal ideology is for corporate responsibility while ignoring "individual responsibility", thus, there goes your liberty.
    You call people of faith hypocrites because they hold to much higher standards. The standards are not always met, but that NEVER dissolves them as liberals do all the time. That is why liberals defer responsibility to the corporate so that way no individual takes the rap for failure. It is a cowardly ideology. We help those in need ALL the time. It is our mission. Handouts are not always the help needed. All of our giving is of free will. Not extortion at the point of a gun.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am for the right of a women to choose not to take on a mans DNA. That's where choice ends. You can't seem to address that.
     
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    Why didn't you google it and find out??


    There is a law, the UVVA, Unborn Victims of Violence Act, that levies heavier sentences on those who harm or kill pregnant women.

    It in NO WAY deems a fetus a person and even has a clause that says it does NOT affect abortion or abortion rights in any way.


    The heavier sentence is because the perpetrator TOOK AWAY the WOMAN'S right to CHOOSE.....a apt punishment....
     
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    ARDY said:
    We all know that humans... particularly young humans .... are strongly biologically and Psychologically driven to have sex.... teens are driven by their hormones..... they are not “making choices” to take on or share their DNA. Teens do not choose to share their DNA any moer than cats or dogs “choose” to share their DNA. Its hormones Bro

    It isa fact that we all make choices that have unintended consequences....
    and that we become responsible for even unintended consequences of our actions
    But unintended consequences are called accidents
    And IMO it is a bit strange to regard an accident with reverential hushed sanctity





    WHERE does he say he prefers to "live like a lower animal" ????


    Clue: he NEVER said that.


    Denying the human sex drive is denying humanity, the history of the world and science...
     
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    Why?
     
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    Some are emotionally attached to those with dementia. Are you for eliminating them as well because they no longer have a voice? I find your reasoning devoid of spirit. You may agree with that because you show little difference. I acknowledge there are those that do not have a spiritual element but are only concerned with the feeding of their flesh. Don't get me wrong, that makes you no less valuable, but let's just be clear about that.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You impose your atheism all the time. Particularly on the unborn. You make your Godless judgments apparent all the time in other ways.
     
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    :) Many Christians believe women have a right to their own body ( are Pro-Choice)
     
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    Of course not. There is no equality among religious faiths. But that doesn't change what I believe about mine.
     
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    No right is unlimited.
     
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    Because he can be.....
     
  13. TurnerAshby

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    My money my choice. The money's in my pocket I get 100% of the choice on where the money goes even if half of the money is hers since it's in my wallet I get to make the choice
     
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    But he killed a fetus and that's not a human so why would he be charged with a double homicide
     
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    Just because one does not believe government has to be the source does not reflect a viewpoint of lack of compassion for the poor and elderly. I am a parent. I provide for my children. That is supposed to be the norm. I know that flies right over your collective head.
     
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    yes, with rights, comes responsibility. No responsibility, you lose your liberty.
     
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    They get double homicide charges ya know like they killed two people

    "
    The case in Alabama involved Jessie Livell Phillips, who was convicted of killing his wife when she was eight weeks pregnant.

    A jury found him guilty of murder of “two or more persons” by one act, using a 2006 law that defined “person” as including a child in utero. The court sentenced him to death.

    He appealed his death sentence, arguing that an unborn child is not a person with independent protections and that he therefore couldn’t be convicted of a double killing. The state Supreme Court rejected his case and upheld his death sentence, citing the state’s interest in protecting the life of both the born and unborn."

    https://www.apnews.com/09c731313cd56018857f0f0a10c8add5

    Fetuses can flip back and forth between a fetus and a human depending on need.

    We are living in a matriarchy and women have the gaul to pretend they're oppressed to take more power.
     
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    Because by killing her he also eliminated any choice she had so what may heave been a wanted child is gone as well, plus they can lock him up longer AND play the jury game.
     
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    So we can charge people on potential future choices?
     
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    Do you people even read what other posters are writing at all? I have said a trillion and six times that I do believe abortion should remain legal and available, yes. That does not mean abortion is not wrong because it very clearly is wrong.

    Flippen heck,
     
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    That bares no resemblance to what I typed.
     
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    Oh, you silly man. Only when they do it is it OK! :)
     
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    WHO said the fetus was not human???

    Human fetuses are human....what TF else would they be?
     
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    WOMEN'S rights should be as unlimited as everyone else's.
     
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    I consider the right not to choose to be far more important since that is the only one right that does not infringe upon the rights of another.

    Abortion is neither a right nor is it about choice. A woman does not choose abortion because it is never a goal to have one. A woman "chooses" abortion because she has to and mostly, it takes a very long time to decide on abortion. Thus, abortion is more about doubt than it is about choice.

    If you do not want an aborton, you do not get an unwanted pregnancy. It is very simple and it is just pathetic to pretend that this would be some sort of rocket-science of misogyny that justifies a hysterical reaction. It is just common sense; If you do not want a DUI-ticket, you do not drink before you drive.
     
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