Iran fired cruise missiles in attack on Saudi oil facility: Senior US official

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  1. Heartburn

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    Neither Russia or China are going to war because Iran was stupid enough to carry their game too far and provoked the US into a punitive strike, and it won't be a war unless Tehran makes it so.
     
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    I agree that neither Russia or China will get involved.
     
  3. Iranian Monitor

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    Lest people here fret needlessly regarding the possibility of war, here is the latest:
    https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/trump-iran-sanctions-saudi-oil-attack/index.html
    President Trump and UK prime minister discuss Saudi attacks

    President Trump and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson discussed Saturday’s attacks on the Aramco oil facilities in Saudi Arabia over the phone today.

    “The Prime Minister spoke to President Trump this afternoon following Saturday’s attacks on the Aramco oil facilities in Saudi Arabia,” a spokesperson for Downing Street told CNN.

    “They condemned the attacks and discussed the need for a united diplomatic response from international partners.”

    “They also spoke about Iran and agreed that they must not be allowed to obtain a nuclear weapon,” the spokesperson added.
     
  4. Thedimon

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    Ok, do you understand what they are doing? Maybe you have some insight into the agenda?
     
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    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The country responsible for the current situation in the ME is the United States. Having spent 12 years creating a deal with Iran along with the UK France, Germany, the EU, Russia and China, a deal which Iran was keeping, Trump decided to throw US integrity out the window and renege on it. They went further and blackmailed most countries of the world to also go back on their word.

    The US by its sanctions was creating war on Iran. Similar sanctions in Venezuela are known to have killed 40,000 civilians in one year. Sanctions kill civilians mostly the sick. So we see the US going against its word, not keeping the treaty, regardless of what you want to call it and forcing others to do so also. Here it is clear. The one in the wrong, the US, is forcing the rest of the world to go against the one who in this instance was in the right, Iran.

    The US is intent on destroying Iran. They have tried to cause civil war in Iran. They have even tried to regime change with cult figures. It is clear the US wants Iran's destruction.

    Clearly as you have shown Iran you are a country who does deals then does not keep its word, it can do no more negotiating with you.

    Iran is left fighting for its life. Some in Iran believe it is better to get it started on their terms and as Iranian Monitor keeps saying that if they do not, they will become weaker.

    The US towards Iran is acting in a similar way to putting a siege on it.

    I do not know who did what clearly was technically an expert job on Saudi oil. It may well be a false flag. However if it amounts to any attack on Iran, Iran will attack all its enemies. You will set the Middle East on fire and this time it will not just hurt you but it will hurt Israel and the entire ME as well.

    By giving up on the JCPOA the United States did what everyone said would happen - it opened the doors to the hardliners who had sat down to allow this deal. The US chose instead of peace in the ME the destruction of the ME - and from what I have heard your actions have brought the 'moderates' in Iran much closer to the hardliners. The US could have been doing positive business with Iran. Instead it chose war.
     
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    I don't see what is complicated about it? Iran knows the US/Israel and company are waging a war to bring about an implosion in Iran. Iran knows negotiations with the US are simply a ploy to force Iran to give additional concessions on tools available to Iran to prevent the US from succeeding in its plans. Iran knows that the US would like to win this war against Iran on the cheap. And Iran knows war with Iran will not be cheap for the US at all: that such a war would ignite the entire region, while leaving much of America's assets either under the water or in ruins. So, while being respectful of the damage American vandalism and terrorism can bring to Iran, and understanding that if Iran does something that truly justifies war with the US (not a carefully planned attack that leaves no casualties but delivers a strong message), the Americans might bite the bullet and pay a huge price to take out Iran, that they will not act irresponsibly and irrationally due to small provocations and proportionate responses by Iran to what is going on around us.
     
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    NOT Known ! - They never even saw it coming ! [​IMG]

    W
    ell so much for the much vaunted, Multi Billion Dollar US air defense systems.
    Is it any wonder even the Saudi's want to opt for the Russki S400 :)

    A very limited attack takes out 50% of Saudi production, and they have to check the
    rubble to try and discern from where the attack came from. :) No wonder Frump has
    .... backed off from his knee jerk "Locked & Loaded" rhetoric - Think what damage
    ......................................................................... a massive and sustained attack might cause?

    The Oil fields throughout the Middle East would be irrevocably devastated
    The Saudi and other Sunni puppet Regimes would become unstable.
    The World Economy would collapse, and would NOT quickly recover.
    Europe and other allies, who already blame the USA for the tensions caused
    by the tearing up of the agreement with Iran. They will become bitter & angry
    with the resulting, unrecoverable mess precipitated by a Middle East War.

    T
    he days of US dollar as reserve currency would come to an abrupt end

    Seems the Puppet Masters who pull Frump's strings are having second thoughts [​IMG]

    The price of criminal US foreign policy just went UP.- Iran nor the Houthi's will
    .......... ........NOT sit back while while US policy Starves & Murders their citizens
    ............................................and pays only."The price that they might feel Is Worth It"

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    Yep, and in response to all those injustices done by the US and Israel, Iran was left with no other logical choice but to bomb its Muslim neighbor Saudi Arabia.

    Solid logic.
     
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    Are you saying that you are banking on the idea that you can bomb something in Saudi Arabia and expect them not to do anything about it?
    Is that the thought process?
    You (and your leadership I presume) think you bomb a facility in a sovereign country, which won’t do anything about it and the bombing will somehow serve as a pressure on the US to negotiate with Iran a new nuclear deal?
    Did I get that right?
     
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    It was quite brilliant of Iran, sending as many as dozen messages in just one quick strike. Here are some of the messages which were directly delivered, recalling that the target hit was not just a Saudi one. It was an American one too.

    1- To Saudi Arabia: You will pay for your crimes in Yemen. Stop your crimes.
    2- To Saudi Arabia: You are wasting your money on American military equipment. Stop purchasing so much junk.
    3- To Saudi Arabia: If there is any war, you will be the first to go. Stop agitating and pushing the Americans in that direction.
    4- To the US: You know who did, I know who did it, and we both know you will be the one to blink. So blink.
    5- To the US: If you think only Iranian oil can be sanctioned off the market, you are wrong. If we can't sell oil in the region, than nobody can. Here is the first installment.
    6- To the US: Stop your maximum pressure campaign. You won't like it if we start our own.
     
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    Iran is not interested in negotiating anything with the US. None.
     
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    No, It just sent a message that the sanctions are going to cost the US 35 billion in the next year and that they could easily double that number.
     
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    And this plan is relying on one very weak assumption - that Saudi Arabia is going to ignore attack on its territory.
    Do you realize that SA is an absolute monarchy? Do you realize that with what Iran has done, their king must respond, or he will be viewed as a weak monarch who can be challenged in the future? If Saudi king does nothing, their entire country will end up being destabilized due to internal power struggle.

    All of your points will collapse if Saudi king decides to strike Iran in response. The US has no reason to enter war with Iran over this bombing, but if Iran starts damaging our equipment, guess who you will be inviting into the conflict?

    Are you ready to die for this cause? Are you OK with your leadership gambling the lives of your wife and daughter away just to make a statement? What if Iran loses this war? Are you ready to watch your wife and daughter being raped by Saudi soldiers?

    If I were you I wouldn’t think this bombing was brilliant - I would look at ways to emigrate. As far as possible from the region. Sitting there and cheering to a possibility that you and your family could be tortured, raped and killed because your leadership lost a political bet is beyond stupid.
     
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    Iran responds to Us sanctions by bombing SA? What a solid logic! You do realize we don’t buy much from SA?
     
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    OK, so, your leadership railroads you into a war and there is no end goal or objective in sight? Did I get that right?
     
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    General Wesley Clark explained all of this at the very begining. It has unflolded exactly as he said it would.

     
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    I know you don't understand that oil is a commodity. I've seen that in several of your posts.
     
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    You are the one who doesn’t understand the concept of logistics and supply chain.
    You can put an ounce of gold for sale in China for $1 - I’m not coming to buy it because of the costs of getting there and back.
    Logistics and supply chain have a huge impact.
     
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    Why don't you have a look at Brent vs WTI over the last couple of days.
    Brent was up 15%, WTI up 16%. Just a coincidence, is that right?
     
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    You still don’t get it?
    Ok, look - let’s say Iran and SA go to war and stop producing oil.
    Canadian oil flows to the US via pipelines, so my region will see fairly small price increase (besides the fact that Canadian oil is generally cheaper than oil of similar quality).
    Now Europe and China (and all of Asia) are suddenly going to look at Russia, which will attempt to sell as much as it can.
    There are logical limits to how much Canada can raise its prices because of a simple fact - while it can raise the price a little bit, the US has quite a bit of its own oil, so if you cross the threshold of making it cheaper to transport oil internally then they lose the sales. Europeans and Chinese won’t be able to take advantage of Canadian oil that much because first of all - you will need to find an idling oil tanker and a crew, then you need to wait for it to make it to Canada, which can take weeks or even months, and then that tanker would need to make the trip to destination, which again can take weeks.

    So, sudden surge in global demand for oil can still make Canadian oil unreachable for Europe and keep it relatively cheap for the US. As you have guessed, sudden surge in oil demand will also result in much higher shipping rates and will result in shortages of the tankers themselves, and building new ones will take years.

    Another problem you are ignoring is the quality of oil - for example, there are few refineries that can take Venezuela’s oil. While oil shortage can raise its price, it won’t go through the roof simply because there aren’t that many refineries that can accept it.


    So, yes, if Iran and SA start killing each other off, I’ll just load up on popcorn and watch from a side. My local gasoline prices might go up, but that’s about it. Hardly devastating!
     
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    Your right about Canadian oil, but of course it is ugly oil and not much good for anything.
    So you think the US oil companies will, out of the kindness of their heart, stop shipping oil to China where they can get much more for it?
    If your argument stood up WTI, oil would not have gone up 15% in price then come back down just as fast when they found out there wasn't to much damage.
    But by all means keep looking for a way to rationalize your idea. But please don't ignore the facts before you.
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    Iran is not stupid enough to attack Saudi, just as they were not stupid enough to attach and detonate mines on oil tankers in the Persian Gulf.

    But the mainstream media IS stupid enough to believe and repeat the lies of the cheating and lying Mike Pompeo.

    Are the American people stupid enough to buy into another Israeli sponsored false flag? Stay tuned, time will tell.
     
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    Don't be so BLOODY RIDICULOUS [​IMG]
    If one short & limited strike can take out 50% of the head choppers Oil production
    Do you think that they for one moment will want to chance a heavy & sustained one ?

    Your Wahabbi perverts look weak beacuse they are weak. They can't even intimidate
    a bunch of Yemenii Peasants and YOUR puerile post threatens Rape & Pillage :roflol:
    ........................................................................................................................RIDICULOUS


    All they have is the American supported Brutality that they use to keep their own
    ....... people in line. Right now they don't know whether to :icon_shithappens: S#!t :icon_shithappens: or ST#U !

    You are right in one respect - They are going to look weak. They had better get out of
    the game and go back to their Whores & Casinos on the French & Italian Rivera
    ...................................................... before the people living under their heel figure things out


    ............................. The Iranians just stand back and say :
    .........................................................................[ [​IMG]




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    Yes, I'm afraid Iran is actually that stupid and they are playing a dangerous game of bell the cat.
     
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