Trump's communications with a foreign leader sparked whistleblower complaint

Well done blurring the topics at hand.

Nothing said here concerns the law. In fact, CNN has already said that, to your point, that nothing was done illegally most likely as the president can declassify whatever he wants. However, it's not in the nation's security or interests for the president to make promises to a foreign power provided they investigate his likely political opponent, which is the most likely reason why we are posting about this very topic and why the person blew the whistle. It's also a good reason not to re-elect someone.

So again, if you want to try and take this debate to the constitutionality of nations keeping secrets, I don't dispute that they can try. I would dispute that as much as you think it's a good thing, all those founding father's you claim to admire didn't really agree. More over, neither do lots of your so called right wing conservative types...unless it's their guy keeping secrets. Then it's all good. Look at the history of secrets kept by our government and find me the good ones. There are a handful at best. The rest are about how best to kill people or involve other unsavory topics.

 

It's called.....

juxtaposition noun

(formal) the juxtaposition of two contrasting objects, images, or ideas is the fact that they are placed together or described together, so that the differences between them are emphasized

Juxtaposition is a perfectly fair debate tool.

 

Do you mean like how biden manipulated the Ukraine government to fire the prosecutors who were investigsting his son hunter getting paid millions of dollars for nothing?

 

Forgive me if I take your promises the way your...I was going to say significant other but who are we kidding...takes them.

We don't need to, he wrote the report. All we need to do is wait and see how the election goes in 2020. You keep looking to the past and are blind to what's coming. Pelosi is buying time. She wants to hedge her best, like Gingrich did, on impeachment. Why impeach if he can get himself voted out of office? She can always impeach literally the day after if he gets re-elected. Plus there's a bonus to waiting in that the senate may flip, which doesn't guarantee removal from office but it sure does neuter him and the GOP agenda. So you can call it what you will, but at the moment, Pelosi and Schiff are holding better cards than Trump. The proof is that Trump is stammering like a baby claiming he's winning. That's what losers do.

 

They dont investigate dirty dems .

 

Oh, I didn't know you were presenting the Obama thing as a CONTRAST to what Trump potentially did... I thought you were trying to say they were similar....

In that case, we are in perfect agreement... lots of differences there...

 

How would you see anything concrete? You won't let us hear what was said. You claim we never can or will. So again, all we have is vagueness and you're supportive of that. So you can't use that against anyone.

I think your hypothetical is too simplistic, but even so, what do I care? If a foreign leader is so worried about how they look, more so than doing what they think is in the best interest of their nation, they shouldn't be a leader. Which reminds me, neither should Trump. Being a leader means you serve, not command or self-aggrandize. Good leaders don't care about their image because they don't have to. Thus, the leader of Mexico would agree to such terms if they saw benefit to their country as well. They wouldn't agree to them because they don't want to look like "less of a man" than Donald Trump, which is really hard to do.

 

Obama definitely did and Trump is accused of doing with no proof.

 

Tell that to Greg Craig...

Too bad... R's have control of the Senate and the Senate Intelligence Committee.... All urgent intelligence whistleblower complaints go to them too...

C'mon.....give it a shot... surely somebody has overheard Jerry Nadler ordering extra meat on his footlong from Subway or something....

 

Who are you referring to? Last I checked, they investigated Bill over Whitewater. Just because they didn't pin anything on him doesn't mean they didn't investigate. There have been many dirty democrats investigated. Bob Menendez, for example.

 

No

 

It's the only point to discuss. And again, no answer will be given. So again, the end result, and this has been an issue for many presidencies, is that we the voters will be left in the dark. So as a political calculation, that's going to hurt with centrist swing voters. And it's a self-inflicted hurt at this point.

 

Oh , did iran let usa inspectors in to check out what they were up to?

 

Yes. They did.

 

Did he write the report?

You'd think he'd have known what was in it during his appearance.

Yeah, the DNC is Charlie Sheening all over the place.

 

Interesting detour here... I was checking to see if Ukraine is reporting anything about this... check out this quote (not anonymous, BTW)

SNIP
Ukraine is ready to investigate the connections Joe Biden’s son Hunter had with the Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Holdings, according to Anton Geraschenko, a senior adviser to the country’s interior minister who would oversee such an inquiry.

Geraschenko told The Daily Beast in an exclusive interview that “as soon as there is an official request" Ukraine will look into the case, but “currently there is no open investigation.”

“Clearly,” said Geraschenko, “Trump is now looking for kompromat to discredit his opponent Biden, to take revenge for his friend Paul Manafort, who is serving seven years in prison.”
ENDSNIP

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ukrai...-sonbut-only-if-theres-an-official-us-request

I cannot imagine Ukraine wouldn't prefer a less pro-Russian president.... I hope they cooperate fully with any investigations into Trump trying to get his kompromat...

 

My point was only that leaders have a right to confidential discussions without having to constantly play to the cameras. Otherwise nothing will get done.

 

A senior adviser from Ukraine openly says Trump is looking for something on Biden.... Seems to be on point to me, and an interesting read...

Obama from 2012 was not...

 

From the OP article:
"CNN has not independently confirmed the detail about a "promise" made to the foreign leader.
The source who spoke to CNN would not disclose the foreign leader with whom Trump was alleged to have spoken."

It's a fabricated lame ass reason to continue the tantrum that started in 2016. They don't even have a reliable source that can say who talked to whom to or what they said.

 

Nobody is disputing that.... I just think we have a different definition of the word confidential.... I don't believe confidential means that only 2 people are involved (or maybe 4 with translators)... There HAS to be an official record, on both sides, for any number of reasons. And I'm fine with those staying out of public view UNLESS and UNTIL something like this happens...

Do not delude yourself that, with a few noted exceptions that rightly caused uproar, all of Trumps communications with foreign leaders are not monitored and records made. Even Trump acknowledged that in his tweet yesterday. Over 2.75 years, I assume he's well into the mid hundreds by now, and there have been few issues reported and the general public knows little about them.

Nobody is demanding that all discussions are televised (??) or that they all need to have full transcripts released to the public...

 

LOL... the OP is over 24 hours old.... News moves on, even if you cannot...

 

And yet there isn't anymore corroborated information out now in the subject than there was before about the mysterious, illegal phone call. Just more lame assed left wing whining about nothing.

 

Not fabricated. The IG found the whistleblower report to be credible and urgent.

And you seem to be supporting the White House’s cover up.

 

Link to the an actual statement from an IG report where it says Trump violated any laws?