Trump ordered the FBI to not interview 25 witnesses who may have had evidence against Kavanaugh

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That or something similar would describe several presidents- JFK, Lyndon Johnson many more. Martin Luther King for example was among the worst, yet hiways, parks and holidays commemorate him... and people like you never say a word about that. Power, wealth, fame and celebrity status attract all kinds of situations like that. Sports stars often claim to have had laisons with thousands of people. Still, you watch them play and buy the products they get paid to promote, allow them to be role models- and again, you are silent.

    It also applies to those self-righteous people who malign others for their sins- from priests down to and including ordinary people ranting against us all on social media and forums.

    Thanks to that last group, the entire nation is declining in character, as they work to convince us all that we are all evil and unworthy- thus, elevating themselves, in their own eyes, to superiority. It's the only way they can tell themselves that.

    What's your reason?
     
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    dems took the house, there was not enough seats open in 2018 in the Senate, that changes in 2020, lots of republican seats up for grabs
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no way to know one way or the other if the investigation was rigged by Trump sadly
     
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    Nothing in either article suggests Trump intervened.
     
  5. Daggdag

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    The FBI stated clearly that they were told that they were not allowed to interview any of the witnesses that Ramirez listed. They were given a list of 11 specific people they could interview by the DOJ, and told that they were not allowed to interview anyone other than those 11 people.
     
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  7. Polydectes

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    The most credible witness they had was not credible.

    It's most likely that Ford lied. And any other witness beside her was less credible than she was.
     
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    Ford and Ramirez were two different women, and their alleged assaults happened on different dates. How does Ford, in any way shape or form, have anything to do with a list of witnesses given by Ramirez's legal team specifically about Ramirez's case?

    Last time I checked, another victim being consider non-credible does not effect Ramirez's case at all.

    RAMIREZ gave a list of 25 wittness specifcially about HER case. None of the wittnesses has anything at all to do with Ford's case. And the FBI admitted that they never interviewed any of the wittnesses because they were ordered not to by the DOJ.
    The DOJ ordered the FBI to only interview 11 specific witnesses, which were picked by the DOJ, and all of whom were close friends with Kavanaugh, and prohibited any other witnesses from being interviewed. THAT is what this is about.
     
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  9. Polydectes

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    I only mention Ford.

    What this has to do with "the list" is this isn't a trial it's a hit job. The people who wanted to stop him from sitting on the bench were made fools of after their little circus for the entire world to see.

    Now they're going after a pound of flesh.

    So this is what's wrong with false accusations of rape, and Ford's accusation was false. It discredits the other accusations.

    I won't take this list seriously until conviction. So until that happens this is just a bunch of petty childish Democrats throwing a fit because they were made fools of.

    Kind of like the Russia crap.
     
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    By trump?
     
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    Again, we are NOT TALKiNG ABOUT FORD!

    We are talking about a completely separate case, where there were 25 witnesses who were never interfered because the DOJ, on orders from Trump, did not interview them. and the eviDOJ literally hand picked witnesses that the FBI could interview and prohibited them from interviewing anyone else.

    So we don't know if the witnesses were creduble for not, because they never got a chance to talk.

    Although more a than a few of them have publically stated that they saw Kavanaugh taking part in the sexual assault of Ramirez, while she was passed out,and were told by the FBI that their testimony couldn't be used.
     
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    Tell Mueller about this...
     
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    The order came from the AG, which likely means it came from Trump.
     
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    More sore loserism.
     
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    Or how about congress grow some balls and impeach William Barr and charge him with felony obstruction of justice and felony witness tampering. He did order the FBI or ignore witnesses.
     
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    Yeah, sure. Better tell them to get on it then huh?
     
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    If there was anything of substance any of those 25 witnesses had to say, the investigative journalists(read: left wing activists pretending to be reporters) would be perfectly able to find it.

    The leftist media is desperate to bring down Kavanaugh and win their Pulitzer. The amount of effort Pogrebin and Kelly put into digging up dirt on Kavanaugh to put in their book bordered on the maniacal, and they found bupkis. Matter of fact, they found more info which exonerated him, than they did anything that "damned him".

    If the lefties are so desperate to dig up dirt on Kavanaugh, they then can buy their own shovels, and pay for the diggers, out of their own pockets. Nobody is stopping them.

    Enough taxpayer dollars have been wasted on ridiculous witch hunts.
     
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    Sure we are.

    about events that never happened?
    because conspiracy right?
     
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    Why doesn't your cited article or even the original NY Times piece mention anything about these "11 pre-selected individuals?"
     
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    To put your deflection in context, you accused people who point out Don's moral depravity as being motivated by hate for him. So I asked you how you would describe someone who "while married, has a sexual affair with a porn star............and later pays hush money to her to keep the voting public from learning of the sordid business?"
    Perhaps you'd like to try answering the question..............but probably not.
     
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    Of course, you got an answer but didn't like it so you deny there was an annswer. Stock reply for you.

    I'd say there's a good chance that his sins are no worse than yours. I'd also think it likely that some of yours are worse than any of his.
    I never said Trump was perfect, I say he is what the nation needs right now, and one hell of a lot better than the alternative was.

    Your real skill seems to be in endless BS and distractions. If Trump's shoelace was untied, I think you would find a way to make that a case for mental illness. That's the validity of your opinion- in my opinion.

    Those who want to say we must a perfect president are like those who refuse to bail a sinking boat because they don't like the available bucket. They don't come much dumber than that.
     
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    What's the significance of her being a porn star?
     
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    The Judiciary Committee was going to vote momentarily, and then along came the Flake, who asked for a one-week delay on the vote to confirm, which was granted, so that the FBI could expand the investigation, but with a deadline.

    What the committee had already heard, from Ford and the others had been fake with no corroborating evidence and with witnesses denying that they had any knowledge of the allegations.

    The hearing was more than fair to the detractors.
     
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    How about putting Clinton in jail for fabricating this whole mess.

    These people need to be arrested for what they did.

    Hitlary Klingon
    Mr Steele
    Everyone who worked for Fusion GPS
    Everyone working for the DNC and
    The Klingon Foundation
    The top 10% of the FBI

    There can be no obstruction of justice when an investigation is unjust.
     
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    Slut shaming.

    So unwoke.
     
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