Trump may have really broken the law this time

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    Sandy Shanks said:

    Acting Director of National Intelligence Maguire has refused to share the whistleblower complaint with Congress as required by law, and the White House Office of Legal Counsel has been involved in efforts to keep it from Congress.

    Time
    reports, "Trump told reporters that the July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy was “congratulatory” and focused on corruption in the East European nation. In his remarks to reporters, he then raised Biden as an example, although there is no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden or his son Hunter, who was on the board of a Ukrainian gas company."

    Then Trump made a serious mistake. Once again, his big mouth and monstrous ego caused him to be his own worst enemy. He just had to tell reporters he was responsible for withholding evidence of a felony from Congress.

    Politico writes, “We’ll make a determination about how to release it, releasing it, saying what we said,” the president told reporters in Houston. “It was an absolutely perfect conversation. The problem is, when you’re speaking to foreign leaders, you don’t want foreign leaders to feel that they shouldn’t be speaking openly and good. … You want them to be able to express themselves without knowing that not every single word is going to be going out and going out all over the world.”

    Of course, Trump realizes this is a unique situation. The President of the United States once again asked a foreign power to interfere in our Presidential election on his behalf, and he withheld military aid to Ukraine to provide an inducement.

    Ordinarily, Trump gets someone else to do his dirty work, and there is no tape, no documentation of his involvement. This time he blabbed, and he did so to the American people.

    Trump used the power of his office to tell the acting DNI to break the law, and he just admitted it. "We’ll make a determination about how to release it."

    Of course, we all know there is no "we" about it. He will decide whether or not to release it.

    Essentially, Trump told the American people he broke the law.

    The law states that if the I.G. determines that a whistleblower complaint is credible and urgent, the DNI must report it to the House intell committee within seven days.

    If the complaint meets that standard, the inspector general is to forward it to the director of national intelligence. The law says that within seven days of receiving the complaint, the director in turn shall forward the material to the House and Senate intelligence oversight committees.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/20/us/whistleblower-law-explained.html
     
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    “The final key to the way I promote is bravado, Trump said, explaining truthful hyperbole. "I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.”

    Trump thinks of himself as an emperor. He doesn't feel he has to answer to the American people.

    Questioned Thursday about conversations with Ukraine, and about whether he spoke about former Vice President Joe Biden and his son, Trump deflected.

    "It doesn't matter what I discussed," Trump said. "But I will say this: somebody ought to look into Joe Biden's statement, because it was disgraceful."

    "I didn't pressure Ukraine, but I could have."

    “If a Republican ever did what Joe Biden did, if a Republican ever said what Joe Biden said, they’d be getting the electric chair by right now,” Trump said. Now that is funny. Sometimes Trump gets a little carried away with this truthful hyperbole stuff.

    Trump has never explained what Joe Biden did wrong. Trump has never explained what Hunter Biden did wrong. Trump's closest advisors have never explained what the Bidens did wrong. The White House has never explained what the Bidens did wrong.

    Trump wanted Hunter Biden investigated. Trump's supporters on this thread cannot tell me what Hunter did wrong.

    We all know what Trump did wrong and why he is trying to divert attention to the Bidens. Trump asked a foreign government to interfere in our Presidential election on his behalf and used military aid as an inducement. Trump has virtually admitted it.
     
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    The only only requires DNI reports to be given to the intel committee if they invoke intel personal. This doesn’t

    Maybe there was corruption on Biden’s part or maybe not certainly appears that there might be
     
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    I haven't heard it. Please provide a link to it at a reputable source.

    In any event, Trump must stop hiding the whistleblower complaint from Congress.
     
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    There is a YouTube video of Biden talking to Haas and bragging about telling Porchenko that he will withhold a billion in loan guarantees unless he fires a certain prosecutor. Sorry, I am on my phone here and can’t post the link but it is posted on this thread several times.
     
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    It was the widespread, coordinated position of western democracies that the Ukrainian prosecutor was corrupt and had to go.

    There is no evidence that any of them were interested in Biden's son. There is no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden or his son.
     
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    Thanks, I have read that version too. However it does not look good for Biden to be the one delivering the ultimatum when his son was involved in some questionable deals over there. I am not saying that Biden committed a crime or even that his kid did. But it looks bad.
     
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    2 Weeks from today when the Democrats realize this isn't going to STICK! they'll be on to their next made up BS False Story and screaming for Impeachment.
     
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    So! All the other Stories the Liberals cooked up, Trump hadn't broken the Law. Now you finally think they've got um until they realize Joe Biden is the REAL CROOK
     
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    You guys fell for the russian collusion BS story as well . P.s . Be careful , looks like trump is setting up crooked dems.
     
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    That is not what the law says. That is what the acting DNI said. I told you what the law said.

    Fine, explain it to me.
     
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    That was the position of the Obama administration along with European Union. I don't care about what Biden was bragging about, he was just the vice president. He couldn't withhold a dime from anyone. That is the ludicrous nature of Trump's position. It would appear Trump knows nothing about the office of the vice-president.
     
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    When Trump set us all up with that silly Russian Collusion deal his campaign manager, his personal lawyer and a bunch of other people ended up in the slammer. If this turns out the same way maybe Rudy and a few others will end up joining them. It’s all in good fun, I guess..
     
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    He is? What did he do?
     
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    Not at all. No one, not Trump, not the White House, not Trump's closest advisors, not the internet, and not Trumpets on this thread can say what Joe or Hunter did wrong.
     
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    They got Joe on tape saying he refused to give Porchenko a billion in loan guarantees until he fired the prosecutor. Looks bad whether or not he or his kid committed any malfeasance. Just sayin’.
     
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    He explains in the video why he made the statement that they were not getting the guarantee.
    It was to force a commitment already made by Ukraine to fire the guy.
     
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    Not for colluding with russia sir. In fact no american was charged for colluding or meddling in the 2016 election. Did you happen to watch the mark levin video from 9-22? Whats your opinion of that? Just curious.
     
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    Let's put Biden AND Trump in prison!!!
     
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    Is it really any worse than Trump Jr meeting with a Russian in Trump Tower during an election based on the promise of getting dirt on Hillary?
     
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    I can not stomach loudmouthed pipsqueak Levin for more than 10 seconds. .Sorry, send a transcript.
     
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    From the OP

    "As required by LAW"
     
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    Im on phone . My eyes are tired at this moment . Watchin grandkids early.
     
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    Ok
     

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