WSJ: Trump colluding with Ukraine

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  1. Thedimon

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    That’s a lie!
    You don’t fire general prosecutor who was just 13 months on the job.
    But you do fire a prosecutor like that if he starts to investigate “wrong” things, especially if $1B is at the stake and Russian war is literally breathing fire on your back.
     
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    The only laughable thing is that despite the fact that old senile fool Biden publicly bragged about forcing the Ukrainian government to sack its own prosecutor you still refuse to acknowledge it. Unbelievable.Furthermore, I really pitty the American public. The credible sources are almost non-existent. Everything has become polticised. Disgusting dishonesty.
     
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    Personal friend? Sorry. Hope he found a new job.
     
  4. Thedimon

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    What?
     
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    "Trump has claimed that Biden in 2016 pressured the Ukrainian government to fire Viktor Shokin, the top Ukrainian prosecutor, because he was investigating a Ukrainian gas producer, Burisma Holdings, that had added Biden’s son Hunter to its board. But it turns out that the investigation had already been shelved when Biden acted and may have even involved a side company, not Burisma. The Ukrainian prosecutor was regarded as a failure, and “Joe Biden’s efforts to oust Shokin were universally praised,” said Anders Aslund, a Swedish economist heavily involved in Eastern European market reforms.

    Moreover, Yuri Lutsenko, a former Ukrainian prosecutor general who succeeded the fired prosecutor, told Bloomberg News that there was no evidence of wrongdoing by Joe or Hunter Biden."
     
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    Are you for real? You call that an answer? That really was quite funny and fully illustrates the sheer frustration of the Trumpets.
     
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    No, Trump has nothing to do with it. Biden is being investigated, and we have him dead to rights saying he interfered in an investigation into his dealings with Ukraine.

    The only thing Trump has to do with this is that investigation is back on track.

    I'm pretty sure we can ship him and his family over for extradition. Then we can get Ukraine to get lunch pail Joe to explain how Obama was in on the deal.

    They probably have ways to get people to talk...
     
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    More bull sh!t from the left.

    Shokin served only 13 months. That’s a rather short time to investigate and prosecute common crime. And I’d think an investigation and prosecution of a major corruption case would take quite a bit longer.
    So, you claim Shokin was fired for inaction, with being on the job 13 months, even though in the US in 2013 out of 71,000 criminal prosecution cases, only 20,000 were completed within one year.

    Sorry to break this to you, but you were lied to.
     
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    Yes, that’s the answer - we don’t know what Hunter did because his daddy prevented the investigation from taking place.
    Can’t you comprehend - to have full understanding what someone did you need to do investigation? If you can’t investigate then you can’t accuse and prosecute. That’s how it works in real world with adults.
     
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    Post images of checks he's received from the fossil fuel industry. I would think that the fossil fuel industry would be writing letters of thanks to the Climate alarmists who fly their private GulfStream jets to the Climate gatherings rather than boarding commercial flights with the rest of us.
     
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    Fun stuff here. Of course conspiracy has to link to an actual crime, of which collusion isn't one. So now what? Other than the theater that democrats yearn for, what do you really expect here? Do you really think that spying on the president by the bureaucracy and then having the bureaucracy then do extra-legal things is good for our nation? I mean, distance might be clouding your judgment here. This isn't a banana republic just yet.
     
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    Whoopsie... now where do you suppose you'll go to find purchase? So if a president can't "collude" what did he do?
     
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    The actual crimes Trump conspired to do are:
    1. Attempting to bribe a foreign official
    2. Theft of 250 million dollars of American money to make the bribe
    3. soliciting a foreign official to interfere in an American election
     
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    Gosh, you sound so certain.... Now, if only you had more than being told that by MSNBC.... Can you imagine if what you've just asserted were ever used as the standards for how folks like Nancy are using their campaign war chest to buy member votes to effect an election might be construed?
     
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    That is factually incorrect.
     
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    You fire anyone who is corrupt and not doing their job. A Trumper bitching someone is fired too soon?? And the only person lying here is Trump.

    You Trumpers are truly amazing in the mental contortions you go through to excuse the Pnnce of Lies but it isn't going to work this time. People are getting mad as hell and they're not going to take it any more.
     
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    If the tables were turned, and it were Trumps son lining his pockets with cash as his father threatened a soverign government for investigating the company which was paying his son, you would have no such reservations, but then no one ever accused liberals of being fair or ethical.
     
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    It is not what Hunter did wrong, it is what Biden did wrong. He threatend to withold US funding from a country because that country was investigating the company that was paying his son $50K a month, dispite his son knowing nothing about the buisness. That 50K a month did get the investigation stopped with the blackmailing of the Vice President...... Biden will not survive this scandal...
     
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    Apparently (meaning I haven't read the editorial myself), the Wall Street Journal debunked that story yesterday. According to the conservative radio pundit Michael Medved, the Journal editorial explained that the investigation into the energy company, whose board Biden's son served upon, was done by the Ukrainian prosecutor FOLLOWING the firing of the prosecutor we wanted fired (along with our European allies). Not sure this is accurate...but I'd be very careful of the timeline of events.
     
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    The original prosecutor had not actually started the investigation yet, but was in the process, that is what he was fired for. He was then replaced by a prosecutor that conveniently found no wrongdoing, (big surprise) Now the question is why is a US Vice President strong arming a sovereign government to call off an investigation into a company who is paying is son $50K a month. Can you say quid pro quo? Was that $50K a month payment to get the investigation called off? Hunter Biden had no experience in the Natural Gas Industry, so what was it that made him worth $50K a month?
     
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    Granted, it does not look good for Biden or his son, but much of your conclusion is based on the assumption the original prosecutor was fired solely for the purpose of stopping his investigation into the energy company. My understanding is that it was U.S. policy, as well as some our allies, that he was NOT investigating Ukraine corruption and that was the reason for his firing.
    If there is "probable cause," I have no problem in an investigation into the prosecutor's firing or Biden's role in it. But, the way to do that, is to express your concerns to the appropriate government agencies (in this case, DoJ, the DNI, and the State Department) and let them pursue an investigation...not to call your personal lawyer.
     
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    This is what Trump is accused of. He hasn't been convicted yet but there is considerable evidence against him. What members in what thing is Nancy Pelosi supposedly buying? :confusion:
     
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    CNN reports, "House Democrats are nearing a tipping point on impeachment in the wake of the Trump administration blocking a whistleblower complaint's release to Congress.

    "Moderate Democrats are showing new openness to move ahead with such an inquiry."

    Inquiry, yes, inquiries will reveal to the voting public that Trump has broken the law several times. Impeachment, absolutely not.

    CNN continued, "House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is planning to put a resolution on the House floor tomorrow to address the Ukraine issue amid growing calls to start the impeachment process, sources said." Don't go there, Nancy.

    "Former Vice President Joe Biden will say that Congress has "no choice but to impeach" President Trump if he does not comply with representatives' requests for information, according to a campaign aide."

    That is playing right into Trump's hands. He wants to be impeached. How else do you explain his moronic weather forecast warning Alabama of a hurricane based on five day old NWS map? How else do you explain his invitation to the terrorist sponsors of the 9/11 hijackers to Camp David? How else do you explain his weak response to Iranian aggression and multiple violations of JCPOA? How else do you explain his admission that he broke the law regarding the whistleblower complaint (see post 405)?

    The purpose of impeachment is to remove the President, but impeachment is a mere indictment. That is all it is. Impeachment will not remove the President. The trial is held in the Senate. As things stand now, there is no possible way Mitch's Senate will remove the Republican President.

    All the Democrats will do is further divide this country and cause sympathy for Trump who was accused of these awful things, but proven innocent in the Senate trial. The Democrats' impeachment gambit will fail and along with it their aspirations of gaining the Presidency in 2020. They are not going to win the Presidency by failing.

    Impeaching Trump will result in four more years of Trump!
     
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    True...impeaching him, without the possibility of a Senate c conviction and removal from office is a "risk." But, it may also call attention to what may be construed as "crimes," which would be indictable were it not for a DoJ "policy." IMO, Mueller may have well challenged that policy had he found a "smoking gun" on potential conspiracy, but he was not willing to do it solely on the basis of obstruction of justice.
    Pelosi is in a similar position. She'd rather have a "smoking gun" before moving ahead with House impeachment, in order to be able to present a better case to the Senate. In that regard, IMO, we are very, very close and possibly only a few days away...regarding the stifling of the "whistleblower."
     
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    Question: According to the latest Washington Post story, "administration officials were instructed to tell lawmakers that the delays were part of an 'interagency process,' but to give them no additional information." Apparently, according to another story, Dick Durban eventually threatened to hold up funding for next year's defense budget, were the funds not released (which they finally were). Now, Trump is saying the reason for the delay in funding was his concern over "corruption" in the Ukrainian government. But, if that's the case, why wasn't Congress told that at the time the funds were withheld?
     

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