Are people coming back as dogs?

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  1. Robert Urbanek

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    The Animal Network show Pet Star (2002-2005), hosted by Mario Lopez, was a contest between owners and their pets who performed tricks for cash rewards that ranged from $2,500 to $25,000.

    One episode featured a woman whose dog would turn over alphabet blocks to spell words. She claimed that when she first exposed the animal to the blocks, the dog spelled out the name of her late mother, which led her to believe that the dog was the reincarnation of her parent. Lopez had no reaction to this revelation.

    Could people be returning as dogs or other pets? Considering the moral decline of America, many people could be demoted in their next turn of existence.

    The growing acceptance of pets as family members suggests that people may intuitively sense some human background in their animals. In the United States, older people have fewer grandchildren to dote on; reincarnated humans in pets could be a substitute.
     
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    I plan to come back as a hot dog.
     
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    I wish the authorities would check on that dog sometime.

    Reminds me of the book The reincarnation of Peter Proud.
     
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    It's an interesting question, & one that deserves reflection & an answer. After several decades of life after life research, I am quite comfortable stating that reincarnation happens whether one believes in it or not. We're all participants. But unlike the teachings of Hinduism & Buddhism, my research indicates that no one ever reincarnates at a LOWER level of consciousness than they are currently at. They CAN reincarnate at the same level however. If we regard an incarnation (one lifetime) as similar to a specific class in college--say Algebra II--it's possible to fail that class (incarnation) & be required to repeat that class at the same level before being allowed to progress to the next level; but we'd never be required to go back & repeat a lower level class that we'd already received a passing grade on. The same for reincarnation. If we "fail" to learn in one incarnation, we can be required to repeat the same general situation with its accompanying issues in another life before being allowed to progress to higher levels of consciousness challenge; but we'd never be required to go into some lower form of animal life below the level of life we had already received a "passing grade" on ourselves. In summary, no human is ever required to reincarnate as an animal that is below the level of human. That doesn't preclude the possibility of volunteering to use a small portion of our spiritual energy to live a life as an animal separate from, & in addition to, our normal human incarnation, at the same time, as a way to further our learning.
     
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    nope, but i think dogs can be more than dogs. I cannot support or defend my position and it may be just wishful thinking on my part but i believe our dog was more than just a dog.

    The bible says that God brought all the animals to Adam so that they could find one to be a helper for him. I believe that the dog is the last one God tried before he put Adam to sleep to take out a rib and create Eve to be his helper.
    again i have nothing to support this.
     
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    That is quite interesting!

    I think that this information must be relevant somehow to this question.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/pets.html
     
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    Generally speaking, in the Bible the Israelites/Hebrews/Jews treated dogs with contempt. There are only two passages in the Bible where a Jew had a dog as a pet. It is in Tobit, chapter 6:2 (CEB) and Tobit 11:4, where Tobias takes his dog on a trip =

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Tobit+6&version=CEB
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Tobit+11&version=CEB

    This is an article that tries to explain the dog's role in the story =

    Is That Biblical Dog an Angel?
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/is-that-biblical-dog-an-a_b_1609861

    You have to read the entire book of Tobit to appreciate the story. It is not that long.
     
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    Oh really. What makes you so comfortable? And what level of reincarnation do you refer to? What aspects of a person are retained between lives?
     
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    I think the growing acceptance of dogs as family members is quite sick....I can't imagine telling your loved ones , especially your children , that the animal in your house is valued as much as they are..
     
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    To each his own.

    Epitaph to a Dog
    George Gordon Byron - 1788-1824

    When some proud Son of Man returns to Earth,
    Unknown to Glory but upheld by Birth,
    The sculptor's art exhausts the pomp of woe,
    And storied urns record who rests below:
    When all is done, upon the Tomb is seen
    Not what he was, but what he should have been.
    But the poor Dog, in life the firmest friend,
    The first to welcome, foremost to defend,
    Whose honest heart is still his Master's own,
    Who labours, fights, lives, breathes for him alone,
    Unhonour'd falls, unnotic'd all his worth,
    Deny'd in heaven the Soul he held on earth:
    While man, vain insect! hopes to be forgiven,
    And claims himself a sole exclusive heaven.
    Oh man! thou feeble tenant of an hour,
    Debas'd by slavery, or corrupt by power,
    Who knows thee well, must quit thee with disgust,
    Degraded mass of animated dust!
    Thy love is lust, thy friendship all a cheat,
    Thy tongue hypocrisy, thy heart deceit!
    By nature vile, ennobled but by name,
    Each kindred brute might bid thee blush for shame.
    Ye! who behold perchance this simple urn,
    Pass on, it honors none you wish to mourn.
    To mark a friend's remains these stones arise;
    I never knew but one—and here he lies.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epitaph_to_a_Dog
     
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    Dogs as gods....gods as dogs.....and more important than human family members....sorry, that's sick.
     
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    Both of your posts in this thread are obviously hyperbolic. The poem has no indication that dogs are gods and gods are dogs. I doubt there are many who value their dogs more than their children.
     
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    So ya forgot to read the OP......
     
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    Concerning the OP, what does complaining about people that consider their dog to be part of their family have to do with reincarnation? Is it because people consider their dog to be family because said dog may have been a human in a past life? Doubtful.

    Rumor has it that only .0000030303% of the U.S. population believe that people are reincarnated as dogs. Apparently, 30% of those people post on this forum.
     
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    I think my late father-in-law came back as a slug. Slimey as ever and a mind of his own.
     
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    From the OP :""The growing acceptance of pets as family members suggests that people may intuitively sense some human background in their animals""


    NONE of my family has ever pooped or peed on the carpet, licked their own crotch , jumped up on guests and sniffed their crotch, or cost a year's salary in vet bills and home repairs and law suits.

    So, no, dogs will never be raised to human level in my family
     
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    Makes more sense now, thanks.:smile:
     
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    I think my cats were CIA assassins in their previous lives.
     
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    I hope my owner is nice to me. Female and pretty would be a bonus.
     
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    They've been coming back as cows for thousands of years.
     
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    You pose a good question. :) I am personally convinced we reincarnate because there's so much evidence out there supporting it. I didn't believe in reincarnation or even an afterlife for many years, but when my father died, I decided to do personal research into the question. After several years of that open-minded research, I was surprised to find a great deal of evidence that our personal consciousness doesn't die when our physical bodies do. My research was far too complicated & exhaustive to relate here, but it convinced me--a strong skeptic--I had been wrong to dismiss it. I'll summarize my findings here briefly.
    1. Our physical bodies aren't really who we are. They are temporary vehicles allowing our real selves to visit & experience physical reality for awhile, until the vehicle breaks down & ceases to function_(physical death). Our real selves are beings of conscious energy, comprised entirely of energy & NOT atomic matter--(known to many as SOULS OR SPIRITS)
    2. Our Soul is not subject to death. Living forever, it faces the question, "What do we do with eternity?" There are more than one answer, but all depend on personal choices. Many souls choose to incarnate into physical dimensions as a way to pass time, experience new environments, & learn. Earth is a well known location for such incarnations (though there are many others). You might consider Earth as a university for spiritual learning & advancement, with each incarnation being similar to a semester class. As you live a life & pass the tests you set for yourself beforehand (in the spirit world), you advance to the next class, which is your next incarnation. If you fail to behave or act appropriately in any incarnation, you can be required to repeat the same primary challenges in your next incarnation, giving you a second chance for success. But you are never required to reincarnate at a lower level of expertise than the one you are current at. This means that the Hindu & Buddhist beliefs that you can be reincarnated as a lower form of life such as a dog, cat, cow, or other animal, simply isn't true. You always either advance or repeat at the same level.
    3. You have a great deal of control over the specifics of your next incarnation. You select your next body & your next parents. You pre-select many crucial events that will happen in your next incarnation, but you don't decide beforehand how you will respond to those events while you're human. This means every incarnation has unlimited chances for change or alteration, & often don't end up where it was planned. But these changes aren't held against you, for they are viewed as your inherent right to choose different paths, & ALL paths lead to learning. You will continue with your next incarnation based on what you learned from your last, coupled with all those prior.
    4. Since we are all eternal Souls, we all grow in learning & wisdom with every passing incarnation. When one soul exhausts its individual ability to learn more from incarnating in the physical realm, it can cease reincarnating here & move on to other forms of reality. There are an infinite number of different variations on physical & spiritual realities, including a myriad of them involving different quantities of each blended together. In other words, there are an infinite number of multi-dimensional realities from which to choose as we progress in our own personal experience. Plus, as we all live our new lives, we all contribute to an automatic expansion of new realities that result from all our experiences. We all contribute to that spreading ripple effect.
    5. There's much more to all this than I can relate briefly here. It's complex. For more info, I recommend delving into NDE (Near Death Experience) studies (see IANDS [International Association for Near Death Studies website], Past Life Regression studies, & Past Life research done primarily by professors at the Univ of Virginia. There are many excellent books on each of these topics to help you.

    I offer this in the hope of being of help. Whether you pursue this for yourself is entirely up to you. I wish you the best. :)
     
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    I'm questioning the reliability of your claims. As such, all the details in your numbered list is completely irrelevant (since if your information turns out to be unreliable, it is most likely false anyway).

    So, what is the best evidence you find?
     
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    For me, the most convincing evidence was the accounts from an ever growing number of people who've died & been medically resuscitated. I've spoken with more than a couple of dozen of them, & found them to be totally honest, sincere & completely unbothered by whether anyone believed them or not. That lack of concern for the reactions of others, I found quite powerful & convincing. They wanted to help, but had no personal agenda in telling their stories.

    I also found personal regressions to past life memories quite convincing in several cases. A family member was regressed & saw herself as an Native American woman in her thirties, experiencing her own death at the hands of white soldiers attacking her village at dawn on a cold, cloudy morning. The odd thing was, she saw an American flag flying in her village before her death. We both questioned the accuracy of her regression, but spent several months researching history together to find if it might be true. Nine months later, on the edge of giving up, we found an article on the Internet saying that at the Sand Hills Massacre of November 1864, in Colorado, the tribal chief Black Kettle, had been told by the Colorado Territorial Governor, that if he flew the American flag in his village, the whites would know he was a friend & not attack. That flag became the first item to convince me of reincarnation. It was so unexpected--so illogical--its presence there was a powerful statement on the accuracy of past life regression memories. Other than a real past life, I couldn't explain the convincing accuracy of this memory.

    There are many books written on this topic. The most convincing one for me was one called "Soul Survivor," by Bruce & Andrea Leininger. You can find it at many libraries, & at Amazon.com. There are Youtube videos about that book on the Internet. Just as a passing thought, Dr. Brian Weiss's first book on past lives mentions his having asked his long term patient & object of his book, how many times she had reincarnated on Earth. Her answer was an astounding 84 times. If we assume an average of 50 years life expectancy for all those lives, she would have been living on Earth (in different incarnations) a total of 4,200 years. For any of us, that's a long time to learn. Imagine what we do with eternity. :)
     
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    No. You only incarnate forward, never backward.
     
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    I'd be happy enough to accept that they're not lying to you (if we were doing a full investigation you would have to argue it, but it's not the issue I'm most interested in).

    What is your criteria for convincing here? The story reads to me quite well as a backsplanation. The explanation of the flag removed a piece of evidence against your story, it didn't provide any evidence in favour of the story.

    Yeah, but it takes only a split second to knee-jerk an answer to a question when you don't have a good answer. It'd take maybe a day or two to put together enough details to make it roughly correspond to today's understanding of history. Less if you're good at it.
     

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