Will Trump be impeached or not?

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    The devil is in the details.
     
  2. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Usually, and in this case for sure, something happened before such drastic action is taken....

    The politics that led to this dramatic event were set in motion when oil was discovered under Iranian sand in 1908. Over the course of two World Wars, the British government, with the help of the Soviets, worked to keep the oil away from the Germans. American leaders preferred to stay on the sidelines, pushing for an independent Iran, until it appeared that the Iranian leader was getting too close to the Soviets.

    For fear of that possibility, in 1953, the Central Intelligence Agency orchestrated a secret operation ousting the Iranian leader and putting Reza Shah Pahlavi into power with full backing of the American president.

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    But a growing resistance to Western influence, coupled with anger over the uneven distribution of wealth and power, led to the rise of a radical Islamic insurgency led by the cleric, Ayatollah Khomeini.

    So, Mr. Dayton, it was the Americans who committed an act of war first!!!

    https://www.army.mil/article/114417/us_embassy_in_iran_seized_4_november_1979
     
  3. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Overthrowing the Iranian government or assisting in it was not an act of war.
     
  4. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So Sandy, you think you belittle me by calling me a "Trumpet" and accuse me of making "outrageous claims" all the while challenging me to present a link. Challenge met. I don't appreciate your accusation of me claiming falsehoods.
    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...3F37EFF96BA033D022823F37EFF96BA033D&FORM=VIRE
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fair play would at the same time say "what did President Trump do wrong?" I emboldened that so it would "trump" yours.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You sure presume a lot.
     
  7. Sandy Shanks

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    As vice-president? How did he do that? Biden didn't have the authority.

    What did Hunter Biden do wrong?

    What did Joe Biden do wrong?
     
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    As vice-president? How did he do that? Biden didn't have the authority.

    What did Hunter Biden do wrong?

    What did Joe Biden do wrong?
     
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    Only Trumpet could ask that at this point. The question has answered multiple times on multiple threads, and you didn't know? Wow!
     
  10. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have been shouting your line for two years now. Why should anyone believe you?
     
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  11. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Banned

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    Respect is earned. It is not granted.

    Is this a joke? You are using The Five on the Trump Network, sorry, Fox News, as a legitimate source???

    That is a joke, right?
     
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    Guilty of what?
     
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    It is interesting to note that Trump, those in the White House defending Trump, the few Republicans in Congress willing to defend Trump, and Trump supporters on this thread never go into the specifics of the call's transcript or the whistleblower's complaint. They use various vague, outdated characterizations, pretend there was no wrongdoing, and try desperately to change the subject, but they dare not venture into the substance of the alleged impeachment charges against Trump.

    :roflol:I saved the best for last.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean the no quid pro quo transcript?
     
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    A person should not have to earn respect. It should simply be given.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Human beings merit respect. You have a narrative you wish to follow coinciding with the "deep state". I;ll give you that. I don't see you refuting the Clinton Treaty with Ukraine and I am sure it wasn't made up. How 'bout you stick to your sources, I'll stick to mine and you'll still be a bitter, defeated person in another 2 years from now. If impeachment goes forth and goes to the Senate, there is going to be a lot of cross examination that you will find embarrassing. Trump will be President four years from now.
     
  18. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe to earn Sandy's respect, you must embrace his/her Narrative.
     
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    Nothing from Trump's supporters, although some gave the vice-president powers Biden did not have, such as withholding funds authorized by Congress. Others tried desperately to change the subject.

    Trump asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy to work with the attorney general to investigate Biden in a July call in which Trump also reminded the Ukrainian leader how much financial support the U.S. provides, according to a written account of the call and a whistleblower complaint the White House released to Congress Wednesday. The whistleblower complaint, declassified for the public Thursday, provided even more damaging evidence of the president's efforts to harm Biden.

    Trump and his allies on the Hill have sought to turn the Ukraine issue on Biden, who is leading or running second in most polls for the Democratic nomination. There has been no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden or his son, Hunter, who served on the board of a Ukrainian company that at one point was under investigation by a Ukrainian prosecutor.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/electio.../2020-dems-slow-to-come-to-joe-bidens-defense

    So, we can all agree. Trump and his allies are wrong. The Bidens did nothing wrong.
     
  20. Sandy Shanks

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    Absolutely not. To earn my respect, one must support one's beliefs. If one supports Trump, then defend Trump as an example, not attack the writer who dares to report what Trump is doing and saying, and don't use lies or make up scenarios that are not true.
     
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    Trump will be impeached, but the Senate will not convict him.
     
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    Trump would win reelection hands down if it was held today, because the dems are nothing but clowns who still can't get over 2016. Besides who will vote for these socialists? not independents.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There you go again, Sandy. You accused me of a falsehood when I said Bill Clinton signed a treaty with the Ukraine where we would share information regarding corruption. I gave you a link and all you did was impune my source while not at all refuting what you call a falsehood. There are other links about that so I'll let you do a little research.
    You have LOST a lot of respect in your support for this attempted COUP D' Tat you have promoted for two years. I don't think anyone has an idea what you stand for, just that you hate President Trump.
     
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    and the hearing in the Senate will expose the Deep State and their attempted Coup.
     
  25. I justsayin

    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    What you said.
     

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