PG&E power shutdown begins in California amid threat of 'explosive' wildfires, affecting millions

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    Net income for Southern California Edison from FY 2011 to FY 2017 was over $1 Billion dollars each and every year with $1.6 Billion as the high. That's their NET not GROSS. Why don't they just fix the power lines?
     
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    The Dodgers sure weren't so great during the 10th inning last night, were they ? ;)
     
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    The only mismanagement happening here is with the corporation known as PG&E. I work for one of the other top 10 utilities so before you come in with your faux capitalistic bumper sticker BS, be aware of who you are bringing it to.

    From San Bruno to the Paradise fires and even the chromium issues are all a result of unethical and poor corporate leadership at PG&E. The issue goes like this. Utilities have 2 buckets of money to use. O&M and Capital. This is true in most corporate settings. The difference here is that capital can be, usually, 100 to 90% recovered from rate payers in the form of fees that are charged to TRANSPORT energy. Not the energy itself, those costs are passed 100% along to the customer and 0 profit is made. That means that in order to upgrade infrastructure and have it NOT come from the pockets of investors in the form of O&M, it has to meet certain rules to be capitalized.

    This is where PG&E has long failed. In order to maximize investor payouts and short term corporate profits, it has neglected spending money in the infrastructure. Some of their gas and electric assets are/were the oldest and worst in the country in terms of integrity. This is the result of not wanting to pay to do the upgrades in slow economic times due to lack of revenue, and then wanting to make and post profits in the good times by hoarding profits. It's not how a utility is to be managed and it always backfires in the long run. Basically, PG&E executive leadership is banking on being too vital to fail and golden parachutes to take risk the assets owned by the people of California. The commission should let them go bankrupt and then destroy the company twig and root to let it rebuild, probably in two or three smaller utilities, to better serve the people.
     
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    It was a great game. Not being a Dodger fan, I was not too upset but I really felt for them. I couldn’t believe that Roberts left the guy who loaded the bases in to throw the grand slam pitch. Then they bring in Jantzen who easily gets the next three guys out. Roberts is a nice guy but he blew the World Series a couple years ago against Houston, and now this. Hall of Famer Kershaw gives up home runs on consecutive pitches, the tying one to a 20 year old kid after 23 year old Buehler pitched brilliantly for 7 innings in a huge game. The Dodger fans were classy in defeat and my son and I had a great time. First live game I caught this year. We got field level seats for $125 each but the beers were $16,50 for 24oz can.
     
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    Yes. The plan is to leave the increasing crime rate, pollution, tent cities, lack of energy, increased cost of living, and reduction of Civil Liberties all going on in California, for a place where that is not happening. This is what millions of previous Californian Middle and Upper Middle Class have already done. I have been fortunate to be at a higher level and to be able to endure the freakshow that the Democrats turned this state into. My son is graduating from highschool in 2 years, and I plan on selling off a second company. California is circling the the bowl... and you are swimming with the turds. I will turn the HB home into an AirBNB, and use it for a few months of the year, but I will no longer let my $ go to the Democrats in this state who abuse the Middle Class.
     
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    lol... they sucked in the 8th Inning huge. I turned it on just in time for the first National's Home Run, then the second, and then I turned it off. My baseball viewing this season has been limited to that 4-5 minutes of meltdown. I knew it was over then. I grew up a Dodger fan, but having season tickets to the Angels for years changed that back in the 90's. Now, I only go to some games and never watch on TV unless Dodgers or Angels make post season. Even then, I wait for the late innings if it is close.
     
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    Most of Puerto Rico went without power for months without causing social disorder. People need to relax and help each other until the power returns. Puerto Rico is an isolated island yet we were still able to get the things we needed. Californians won't experience the same issues we did.
     
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    I grew up as a Dodger fan.
    The first professional baseball game I went to was at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum where the Dodgers played before building the current Dodger stadium at Chavez Ravine.

    When I moved behind the Orange Current during the early 80's I started going to Angele games at Anaheim Stadium.

    Better stadium and the Angele fans were mature and family orientated and the games were fun to attend.

    And Angele Stadium has the best brats west of the Mississippi.
     
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    I hear refrigerated foods are going for "fire sale" prices up north.
     
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    We used to tailgate Angels games. Now the back parking lot is a hobo village.
     
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    I moved to Colorado Springs for a few years back in the ‘90s and opened up a nice bar and grille restaraunt. El Paso County is about 70% Republican and the whole area was and probably still controlled by them. I and my family were miserable there among the Focus On The Family crowd and the old boy network that controlled all commerce. The schools sucked, the baseball sucked, the weather sucked and their were gangs and homeless encampments everywhere. Murder was rampant, (ask Joe Kenda) the customers at my restaraunt were rude and cheap tippers too. I could not wait to get out of that GOP paradise and back to good old liberal California. I wish I had kept my home but that was before the whole Air B&B thing. That’s a good idea to not sell. I bet you’ll be back in a few years, but either way, I wish you well.
     
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    All of California has become one big hobo village.

    And the Democrats own it 100%
     
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    I am totally all in on the brats at Angel's Stadium. Severed with the grilled peppers, onions, and spicy mustard!!!! OMG!!!! So good!
     
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    yeah... they recently cleaned that out, but it may have reformed. I am not sure.
     
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    In my opinion, the best brats west of the Mississippi River.
     
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    I felt bad for Buehler, he pitched a great game and could have gone the distance or at least 8. Kershaw is a great pitcher and a great human being but he has a reputation for giving up big home runs in elimination games. The crowd was electric from the time Ingot seated and the Dodgers led 3-0 before I even got a beer. The air started leaking a little when Rendon lined the pitch barely over the left field wall then on the next pitch the 20 year old kid hit about 450 feet the air came out of the whole place. Great game, full of drama and heartbreak for Dodger fans and elation for the Nats. First game Insaw live this year and well worth the trip. Angels are probably getting Joe Madden next year. Should be exciting! LA baseball has been great ever since I got here.
     
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    I've never lived in Colorado but have been there more than a few dozen times on business or pleasure and driven through the state a hundred times.

    Over the past fifty years I have watched Colorado go through major changes just as Orgone has gone through because of transplants from California.

    I remember during the early 70's seeing welcome to Oregon signs at the state line and at the bottom was "Californian's not welcomed."

    I heard the other day one politician in Idaho is calling for building a wall at the Idaho state line to keep Californian's out who are fleeing America's first third world state.
     
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    I don't blame PG&E for shutting down the power in areas prone to high winds, and dry conditions. PG&E did not run these line without the municipalities, state's desire, and approval.

    As they were hung out to dry and fined by these same people and the media last year, it is prudent for them to shut down the power to reduce their blame in a repeat of event of the past.

    I see this as no different than people building in known flood zones, then whine when they loose everything without insurance.
     
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    Colorado is a beautiful state to visit, but I would never want to live there again. Been to Idaho many times. Nice scenery, rivers with Bald Eagles diving for fish. People are pretty weird and a lot of White Supremicist types lurking around up there around Hayley and Sand Point.
     
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    PG&E needs to take some of their profits and upgrade their grid. That’s their responsibility not the customers.
     
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    Idaho is where California cops go to retire.
     
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    Upgrade to what? what can they possible install guaranteed to survive 80 MPH winds. You can't put 800kv transmission lines underground.
     
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    If you like outdoor activities like hunting, fishing, skiing and snowmobiling and don’t mind freezing your ass off 6 months of the year Idaho is a nice place to go. That’s one of the great things about America, there’s a place for anyone.
     
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    I don't know much about Puerto Rico, ergo the question -- has Puerto Rico every experienced social disorders? California has.

    This link below is a good list of disorders in CA, but I would add to the list the lawless looting that took place after the 1906 earthquake that wiped out San Francisco.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Riots_and_civil_disorder_in_California
     
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    Some reporting on the blackouts...


     
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