Syria doesnt want us there. Turkey doesnt want us there. Why should we be there?

Why on earth would anybody ever believe you?

You claim to have this super intellect which can forsee events in the ME that no one else can, but you never say what they are. Who do you think you fool with that crap?

 

The Syrian government is in a war to the death with thousands of Al Qaeda/ISIS savages. Those who root for the defeat of the Assad government are rooting for the victory of Al Qaeda/ISIS. It's as simple as that.

 

How would what was outlined constitute a "move against Turkey"? Would the Turks be satisfied with nothing less than the death of all the PKK even if they get a withdrawal of all American troops? Is a slaughter of several thousands what the rest of NATO wants? It seems that kind of settlement is, in fact, what is being stumbled toward here anyway, doesn't it. The world is not about to let Turkey pull another Armenian genocide

 

Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship that brutally represses democracy and human rights. Those who condemn the Syrian government while turning a blind eye to Saudi enormities are hypocrites and phonies.

 

If we need any reminders of just how inept and clueless Trump is, just remember that he appointed John Bolton as his national security adviser.

 

Turkey has too much of an interest in remaining in NATO, much more so than the US does. There would have been multiple methods of negotiating a strong border between the Turks and the Kurds, and one of them was leveraging this interest, fully, but Trump won't do any of them.

 

Probably because I'm right!

Just about everybody could. No super-intellect needed. In fact, what is happening today in Syria was "foretold" the moment Trump made his announcement. There may be reasons to believe that only 17% of Americans would be completely incapable of foreseeing it.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...n-the-call-to-ukraine-was-appropriate.562765/

 

I think people sometimes forget that the governments in countries like Turkey and Saudi Arabia need us far more than we need them. The idea that we need to please them instead of the other way around is perplexing to say the least.

 

So what are the consequences in the ME only you can foresee, but refuse to delineate?

 

Why can you not manage a post without some kind of fallacious ad hom/demonization slur ? I hate Trump. The difference between me and you is that I have valid arguments against Trump - and shoot my arrows straight - where you are all over the map - wildly shooting arrows in any direction - in a blind partisan rage.

You don't know squat about the war in Syria .. You are still having trouble coming to grips with the fact that your beloved Hillary and Obama armed and supported Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria.

I agree 100% that we have lost much under Trump - and have posted numerous time on these loses and have created threads to that effect.

You on the other hand seem to be oblivious with respect to these loses. Our actions in Yemen and Syria are a disaster of historical proportions - but this has little to do with Trump ..although he is contributing to these loses such as by vetoing congress with respect to ending our involvement in the Yemen disaster.

I feel sorry for the Kurds .. they area caught between a rock and a hard place. They never should have gotten involved with the US - and should have know this would end in disaster.

The Kurds need to work with Russia and Syria .. that is their only hope.

 

None that only I could foresee. T

his is the one everybody who is not a Trump cultist could foresee.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/09/turkey-syria-attack-latest-news-kurds-trump

 

Yup. It's a tough pill to swallow, but they must swallow it if they hope to maintain some semblance of security.

 

And why do you think @Giftedone didn't foresee this and just doesn't care. I don't care.

 

That is what Assad has been doing throughout this war - killing - radical Islamist extremists .. Folks who have been doing stuff like this:

Virginia Senator Thanks Syrian President Bashar Al Assad for Saving the Lives of Christians
Open Letter of U.S. Senator Richard H. Black to President Bashar al-Assad Acknowledges US Support to Terrorists

Forgive me if I do not shed too many tears when the likes of the above are not treated very well when captured by Assad.

The west on the other hand - with our beloved El Saud - the cradle of the ideology that spawned these radical Islamist extremists - were arming and supporting these groups - fighting on the same side of the war as these groups.

The good Senator - who actually went to Syria - continues.

 

If their choice is between in nato or live with the PKK as neighbor, they'll get out of Nato and cozy up with China, Iran and Russia, which is exactly what they've been doing in the past 5 years.

Keep the personal attack to yourself. if you can't take the hea, get out of the kitchen.

 

They're also at war with half of their civilian population who aren't alawite. Millions of them had to flee.

 

You didn't foresee anything .. you are still living in blind partisan denial of the fact that your beloved Obama/Hillary armed and supported Al Qaeda - ISIS and other radical Islamist groups of the same ilk in Syria - An action which has led to the death of 400,000 in Syria, the refugee crisis, the rise of the modern incarnation of ISIS - and this current Kurd issue.

 

For somebody who "hates" Trump you sure are good at repeating his long-ago debunked talking points. BTW, who are those Hill Larry and O'bama? And why should I give a crap abut them?

Are you even aware of what has gone on in Syria over the last two days?

What the f... hell? So you're saying that Trump stabbing them in the back is their fault for not foreseeing that an idiot like Trump would become President?

I don't care if you hate or love Trump.... that's an idiotic argument for anybody to make.

What are you saying? Talking about what the Kurds should do, but not what your government should do? I'm assuming that this is your government, of course.

You say you're not a Trump supporter, but not even long-time declared hard-core Trump supporters would use that absurd argument to defend him. We are the ones who will pay the consequences for Trump's irresponsible actions. And you just come here to talk about what the Kurds should do? God!

 

You have no idea what you are talking about - spewing propaganda rhetoric as if it has some basis in fact. 50% of Assads army is Sunni. The refugees mostly came from areas that were taken over by the radical Islamist rebel opposition - led by Al Qaeda and ISIS.

Assad has Christian Generals in his army.

 

What debunked talking points ... You twirling around in a circle crying "NO NO NO" - because you can't bear the fact that your beloved Hillary and Obama were arming and supporting Al Qaeda - ISIS - and other radical Islamist jihadists - doesn't debunk anything.

 

If what you say is true, then Turkey would have left NATO already, since the US has been protecting and supporting the Kurds in northern Syria for years.

 

Note, I am not taking the position that we SHOULD be ther

but, as I understand it, we were battling ISIS, and chased them out of Iraq
And as a result ISIS retreated into Syria
And since we really wanted to expunge ISIS.. we got into Syria
And, as was the case in the Iraq fight against ISIS. we did not want to engage in a direct fight against ISIS... so we were looking around for a proxy army to do the dirty work (on the ground fighting)
And after evaluating several proxy army candidates
We settled on the Kurds
Who seemed to do well
And had the advantage of not simply transferring our military support to some other unreliable Muslim group

Hence our involvement in Syria and relationship with the kurds

 

The Obama administration supported the rise of Al Qaeda in Syria. That's a fact.

 

The PKK have been killing turks since the mid 80's. If hunting Isis for terrorism is ok then so is hunting the PKK.

Turkey has been moving away from nato for a while now. This as accelerated since the European union refused their entry in 2016. They are now purchasing Russian and Chinese military equipment.

 

The US is in Syria for purposes of "regime change". ISIS and Al Qaeda wouldn't even have a presence in Syria if the Obama administration hadn't pursued a policy of "regime change" there.