Syria doesnt want us there. Turkey doesnt want us there. Why should we be there?

Syria and Russia would not accept a permanent secession of part of their territory to the Kurds or Turkey. The whole region would flare up again.

 

The Kurds in northern Syria are not the PKK.

 

Nobody was arguing that they would.

 

It's funny how some people act like the USA, the richest and most powerful polity in human history, needs to please Turkey instead of the other way around.

 

Nobody play all their move on the first turn. The US weren't protecting the kurd anymore than they were protected the Yazidi or other group in that region. They were there to give support to those fighting Isis for the time that Isis existed as an effective fighting force and to stabilize Iraq by training, again, their army. That has been done.

there never was a formal alliance between the USA and the Kurds anymore than there was between the french resistance and the british. They were fighting a common enemy, but there never was a political alliance and once the enemy was defeated both moved on.

 

Then the war would just flare up again.

 

The USA isn't as powerful as you think. Turkey is a though nut to crack. It isn't a second rate army like Saddam's. It's a well trained and equiped modern armed force with quite a formidable terrain advantage, ask the french and british. And both Iran and Russia would be in the way of your conquest since none of them would want the USA controlling that part of the world.

 

The US helped the Kurds to create a de facto autonomous region in northern Syria. The US has been protecting and defending the Kurds in northern Syria for years. Yet you claim Turkey will leave NATO if we refuse to bend to their will? Laughable. They need to bend to our will, not the other way around.

 

Pure speculation based on nothing substantial.

 

The USA is the most powerful entity in human history. The USA has States with bigger economies than Turkey's.

Who said anything about a conquest?

And Turkey's military was trained and equipped by the west, primarily the USA. That's called leverage, in case you were wondering.

 

Funny how Badaboom is trying to argue that the USA has to bend to Turkey's will instead of the other way around. Some might call that anti-American...

 

With 1,000 troops the US wasn't protecting anybody. There never was a question of giving the Kurds autonomy, hell they tried it in Iraq and failed and the USA didn't do squat about it.

Nato has run its course. it's existencial reason as cease to exist in 1990.

And you can bark all that you want, nobody is afraid anymore. You start something major and you'll lose access to all major markets meaning that your economy will collapse. Even your long time allies have been diversifying their investment for years and opening up new market. You're already at the beginning of a cold civil war in your society. Half of your population can't stand the other one. Whatever you want to do the other half will work against it, more so if it's again about a damn war in a country far away fighting people you didn't even cared about 5 minutes ago.

 

so this is irrelevant?

During the Syrian Civil War, the city was captured in 2013 by the Syrian opposition and then by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. ISIL went on to make the city its de facto capital in 2014

 

You think Syria, Russia and Turkey would gladly accept a kurdish state? LOL. Go open an history book on that region of the world sometime. As I said, the kurds tried that in northern Iraq and they got put down hard, without any intervention of the USA and others.

 

And they're now being equipped by the Chinese and Russian. Funny how that is for a Nato member.

Can you name me a country that the USA as tried to bring to their knee with economic sanction that have ever surrendered? You couldn't even break Cuba. You have sanctions on NK since the 50's, Iran since the 70's and on Russia presently. How's that working for you? None of them are about to call it quit an do what you want them to do. In fact, your "allies" are making a killing financially dealing with them behind your back.

Because, you see, you only have to choice in "conquering" a nation today. The economic option doesn't work so that leaves the military one which you can't win either in that region for reasons already mentionned.

 

You are going to most likely disagree with my assessment as to why there are U.S. boots on the ground but what is life other than disagreements? I assess that we went into Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Ukraine and else where for The Albatross, and The Albatross alone. The Albatross and its agents, such as Senator Lindsey Graham and others. There are those who will sacrifice EVERY U.S. Soldier for the sake of The Albatross.

 

The presence of US troops in Kurdish Syria kept the Turks from invading and occupying the region. Yet Turkey didn't withdraw from NATO or eject US forces.

I agree. It's time to dissolve NATO and to spend that money on America where it will actually do some good.

The USA could cause Turkey's economy to implode overnight. And there is nothing Turkey could do about it except whine impotently.

This doesn't make any sense.

I'm happy for them.

What war?

 

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Good for them.

If it were up to me, the US wouldn't be placing sanctions on any of those countries. But the fact remains, the sanctions are extremely harmful.

The only thing stopping the US government from engaging in outright conquest of its enemies is the restraint of the American people. But if that restraint were lifted, the US government could conquer Turkey within a month.

 

Extremely relevant.

The only reason Syria descended into chaos is because the US government has been pursing "regime change" there since at least 2006.

The so-called "Syrian opposition" are jihadists.

 

Badaboom is a foreigner who thinks he can boss Americans around. He's very fortunate that most Americans simply aren't interested in proving him wrong.

 

I never said they would.

 

Of course I did. We all did. We've been talking about it in this thread and others. You need to keep up.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...can-troops-to-retreat.562621/#post-1071043605

Who are those?

 

ISIS showed up in Syria just months after Assad arrested the schoolboys.. after 10,000 Sunni conscripts in the Syrian army quit and took their weapons with them when they were ordered to kill protesters.

 

The Saudi regime doesn't even allow protests. Or democracy. Or human rights.