Turkey set to invade northern Syria, White House says, raising concerns for Kurdish fighters

In the meantime, "isolationist Trump" -- the one supposedly trying to wind up America's involvement in the ME and not merely following the "Moscow Project" script I mentioned -- is sending even more troops to Saudi Arabia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50021138
Saudi Arabia oil attacks: US to deploy thousands of extra troops

 

LOL - Yes, tell us the tale about how Barack Almighty took control of Syria and then Trump lost it to Assad and his masters in Moscow and Tehran. I don't know what's funnier - your outrageous yarn or the possibility that you actually believe that bullshit yourself.

You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Obama's half-assed attempt at effecting regime change in Syria fell flat on its face long before he left office - there was no Syria for Trump to "lose". The only thing left for us in that country was to make sure Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's death cult was deprived of its precious "caliphate" and its members dispatched to Allah's celestial whore house where they won't do us or anyone else any more harm. We didn't go over there to get our asses entangled in the long-running blood feud between the Kurds and the Turks who happen to be one of our NATO allies in case you've forgotten.

You may not like it, but Trump made a pledge to finish the job against IS and then get the **** out of that shithole and that's what he's doing. Our battle and our commitments over there are over, now it's time to bring our men and women home.

We betrayed the "Death to America!" crowd in Tehran?

No, Obama betrayed his country, the freedom loving people of Iran and our allies in the region when he lifted sanctions on the Islamofascist regime in Iran. Mistake corrected.

I'm glad you got that off your chest, but I've got bad news for ya, bro - the polarization of our politics reflects the polarization of our society. Half the country wants to "fundamentally transform" America into a socialist shithole and the other half isn't going to roll over and let that happen. It is what it is, and I don't see either side changing.

 

And peddling genocide is good for us as a nation? The Kurds are being slaughtered now--because of a deal that the President of America made with a dictator. How's that working out for overriding your sense of morality?

 

If that is the view of those currently in power in Washington, then how would you ever expect other countries to take seriously, again, the word of the US?

And is it not in our "national interest" for them to do so?

 

If we went to the Middle East and ended the friction and wars there, then maybe the American lives lost would not have been in vain. But instead of bringing peace we have brought continuous war and destruction.

 

The worlds economy depends on Saudi oil, so it is in our national interest. Giving the Kurds Syrian territory that doesn't belong to them, only because we don't want Assad to have the oil and gas to rebuild his country, is not in our national interest. The only thing it would do, is satisfy the blood lusts of some very evil people for another 15 plus years.

By the way, who do you think attacked the Iranian tanker? Was it a false flag attack by a third nation, or was it Saudi Arabia?

 

Do not blame the west for the disfunctioning of the Arab societies and the political order of war lords in the ME.

 

Arabia produces 12% of the world oil, which is 1/3 of the world energy consuption.
That means Arabia produces only 4% of the world energy consumption.
No one is really dependent on them and it is certainly not a national American interest, for the US has enough oil and does not need to import it.

 

My sense of morality carries no more weight than yours. Governments do what governments do. The Kurds are being killed because they don't get along with the Turks.

 

I never even attempted, much less pretended as you did, to give a full description/account of U.S. foreign policy, nor was such a thing necessary in the brief exchange between me and my Turkish friend.

 

The truth, and nothing but: How Erdogan FKD Trump.

 

Ok, Pontius, you’ve earned your badge in Pragmatism. Me? I choose a different path.

BTW: You have no idea what morality is. If you did, you wouldn’t make such an asinine statement as “your morality, my morality”.

 

I don't know what you're talking about. We might not need the oil, but Japan, China, and Europe certainly do - and we are dependent on the Petrodollars. Here's the top producers of oil right now. If Venezuela and Iran weren't sanctioned, then the situation might be different:

USA...…………. 15,043,000
Saudi Arabia..... 12,000,000
Russia...………. 10,800,000

 

Oh, then Soros' Open Society Foundation and the embedded CIA and MI6 agents have nothing to do with it? Interesting!

Fight and strife is my name
and chaos is my game.

I gear them all to kill and maim
and give them cause to do the same

to us - Jeannette ​

 

Amazing how you're willing to have Arabs killed and being in a perpetual state of war, so the Kurds could establish a nation in an area that never belonged to them in the first place. What about the people living there, and what about the American kids in body bags who joined the army so their parents wouldn't pay their college tuition?

A very strange sense of morality there? One has to wonder what your real intent might be?

I'm known as Thor the God of War.
I fight on land and fight on shore,
and listen to the trumpets sound
while men are dying all around.

Their cries of pain I hear with glee
who cares about their misery,
for being masters of their fate
has driven us to greed and hate. - Jeannette
​

 

I’m not the invading Syria. Erdogan is. I’m not even asking for American troops to stay nor to fight. I’m simply asking that an American President not trade human lives for political favors from a dictator.I do realize that is a pretty high bar for a pragmatist, but its really not all that difficult for the moral.

 

You think it isn't different in different cultures? Well whatever, national policy is not based on a concept of morality, it's based on national interests. How far would you go to provide a homeland for the Kurds?

 

Can someone tell me what "word" we gave the Kurds?

Did we give them any sort of security guarantees? I've not heard of any.

 

If you aren't asking for our troops to stay and fight then what is it you are asking for? At what point does the sacrifice lose it's moral standing?

 

The instant it becomes a sacrifice. To surrender a greater value for a lesser value is immoral. In this case, Trump sacrificed American honor, the greater value, for personal political favors, the lesser value.

 

Israel has been demanding regime change in Syria since 1994 and so have the PNAC neocons.

Trump didn't do anything to stop ISIS other than brag.. The Kurds fought ISIS.

And, Israel supports the Kurds.

 

I just showed you in my previous post that all the Saudi production covers only 4% of the world energy consumption.
So even if they reduce to nothing there will not be a world crisys like you portraid.

 

I’m not convinced 4% is small enough to not cause a dangerous disturbance in market prices.

 

I can assure you American honor is intact and our troops pulled back to avoid any further sacrifice over Syrian dirt. Young Muslims from all over the world left their homes and went to Syria to fight for ISIS and Muslim honor and morality. I hear the Kurds also take volunteers who feel strongly in the just nature of their cause?

 

The only ones who wanted regime change in Syria were the Israelis and the dual citizen neocons.