Turkey set to invade northern Syria, White House says, raising concerns for Kurdish fighters

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  1. flyboy56

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    ISIS was more of a threat to the Kurds than the US. So of course they fought ISIS.
     
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    ISIS is an ideology and which means ISIS can form anywhere. Have you ever tried to kill an ant pile? They just go underground and move somewhere else.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    The Kurds were fighting ISIS....the Turks are killing the Kurds....then isn't Turkey PRO-TERRORIST with Putin's and Trump's help ?


    That's true to a degree …

    Maybe I should have been more definite and stated, ""Turkey IS PRO-TERRORIST with Putin's and Trump's help (no question mark)
     
  4. Lil Mike

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    Well if you are thinking the US should be working to kick Turkey out of NATO, I agree. Otherwise, we need to look at our own participation.
     
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    Syrian army will deploy along the border and assist the Kurds, may be this was the plan all along, forcing the Kurds to make a deal with Assad
     
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    Correct, it is official and taking place. Now lets see what effect it has, Turkish military and its proxies are already over the border and to the main highway at some points.
     
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    The question was always, do you or don't you want a Kurdish state in north eastern Syria, and if the answer is yes are you prepared for the consequence of this state funding PKK terror in Turkey. If not then the only option is withdraw and I like Trump's decisiveness. A stark contrast to the Obama Administration's indecisiveness on foreign policy. A very difficult decision firmly executed, Mainstream media howling be damned. I believe this is the best solution.
     
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    I agree, I just believe it would have been better to have the slightest negotiation with Syria\Russia on their behalf before we left. Kinda low to just walk away out of the blue when we could have prevented the Turkish excursion with a minor political action with Syria/Russia that was going to go through at some point or another anyways.
     
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    I do believe it's highly likely those negotiations did occur, but behind closed doors.
     
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    Expel Turkey from NATO. Tell Putin to piss off . Tell Kim to Fk off. And tell China to step off. Doesn’t take any troops, Just a President that’s stands by the good.
     
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    I am completely.
     
  12. Turkic Brat

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    You had already betrayed us by funding, sending arms aid to PKK terorist organization near our south border.
    We do need NATO to protect ourselves, so saying "expel Turkey from NATO" is very stupid idea.
    You will be a loser if you fully break up Turko-American alliance.
    https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

    We did not get your permission to fight against Kurdish PKK terrorists along with ISIS, we only told that we were going to start our military operation, because we are right to save our nation. Obama administration never perceive the situation, and Trump bravely tinkers to situation for better or for worse. But he is tinkering.

    Don't burn your house to fright the mouse away.

    People like you, make China and Russia to be happy and damage NATO.
     
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  13. Bush Lawyer

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    Why are you invading Syria?
     
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    Why don't you make the Kurds semi autonomous? That would solve every problem.

    Seriously, the Kurds are freedom fighters. They stand for everything the US stands for. They stand for equality. They are natural US allies. Just make them autonomous and NONE OF THIS WOULD BE NECESSARY.

    YOU NEED this so called alliance more than we do. If we wanted we could just leave and **** off. Go to mars or some ****.
     
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    Kurds who look for foreign and alien benefactors are fools (or self-serving individuals). Not only they have been betrayed enough by these foreign benefactors (who have, like the Israeli and much of the pro Israeli crowd -- excepting those now associated with what I have called the "Moscow Project") used them to sow discord within the states they live -- but ultimately working to have these foreign forces (whether American or Russia) take over the region will ultimately prove a lot worse for them than living with people they have lived with for centuries.

    Otherwise, I personally like the Kurds. A valiant people who I wish Turkey would learn to better come to terms with. These Kurds, incidentally, are the closest genetic and historic kin to the Azeris who the Turks count as their cousins due to accidents of history which has a lot of people speak languages which don't say as much about their true historic, genetic, or cultural background.
     
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  16. Jeannette

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    And you of course are the determining factor on what is the 'good' and what is not. :roll:

     
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    Yes, based on reason, reality, and logic.

    The good, that which promotes life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The bad? That which doesn’t.
     
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    People have very short memories. Turkey was the one sending ISIS fighters into Syria to fight the Kurds, and the wounded were being treated in Turkish hospitals. After ISIS had taken over much of Syria, Fidan the head of Turkish Intelligence said in a speech that they deserved a consulate in Istanbul. That bit of news was short lived of course.

    Erdogan's son was also the one buying the stolen oil from ISIS and supplying them with arms. So Obama instead of bombing the oil tankers and cutting off ISIS's funds, we were bombing the desert to deceive the American people. It all changed when Russia entered the fray and actually began bombing the tankers - which no doubt infuriated Turkey.

    At a meeting at Antalya Russia presented a list of 30 countries that were buying the stolen Syrian oil from Turkey which of course was illegal, and the US could care less.
     
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    That nails it. Good info. Sources?
     
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    Very True ..
    The Saudi inspired radical Salafist extremist ideology that El Saud has been exporting around the world for decades. You may have heard of some of its other adherents ... Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, Islamic Front, Taliban, Mujahadeen in Pakistan, India .. and numerous other around the world.

    An Ideological movement that we have been arming and supporting in Syria and Yemen.
     
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    A President that stands by the good :) ... let me know when that comes around.

    I think we have already told Mr. P to fk off - and Turkey is definitely not in good NATO standing.

    We have also told the Kurds to fk off ..

    China hasn't really stepped into this arena .. so no comment.
     
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    Get on to this site, it has all the information about Turkey and ISIS and quotes from the original sources.

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/211624-2/211624/

    As for Fidan saying that ISIS should have a consulate in Istanbul, it was probably in the Turkish paper, but it was short lived.

    Also if you google, you can find the Russian aerial photos of thousands of oil tankers carrying the stolen oil from Raqqa to Turkey.
     
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    Dumping refugees :strong:
     
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    Well, If Kurds were enough to be a self sufficient people, I would support them to be autonomous just like Catalonia Region of Spain
    But they are not.
    * Highest birthrate (they make 6 kids on average some Kurdish men get married more than 1 women by imam marriages)
    * Highest unemployement rate
    * They are poor
    * Poor quality of life

    They want to be autonomous but they do not want to pay taxes to Ankara.
    They want state investments (but government has been already investing much more than Central Turkey)

    Is this fair autonomy ?

    I really want Kurds to have their own state by population exchange between Turks and Kurds. But Kurds do not want this. More than 1.5 million Kurds live in Istanbul (Northwest) they don't want this!

    We do not intervene Mexico, we do not intervene Cuba or any close area to United States. But you intervene our South Border from other side of Atlantic. This is your fault. You failed!

    We do not want PKK teror. That's simple.
     
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  25. Jeannette

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    If Ankara helped them prosper the way the Russian Federation helped Chechnya and its Muslim states, maybe they wouldn't want to secede?

    If on the other hand Ankara feels that no matter what it does the Kurds will always be a burden to them, then let them go. Why harm yourselves by holding on to something that's weighing you down?
     

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