Maybe it's just me, but I think this is an interesting question.

Seeing as the House rules do not obligate it to hold a formal vote to open an impeachment inquiry.............the absence of a vote being the basis on which Trump is withholding witness testimony and documents (notwithstanding those who have ignored his order to stonewall the investigation)..........how will Senate Repubs (especially Lindsey) justify not voting for an article of impeachment accusing Don of refusing to comply with lawful subpoenas?

Once again, thanks to the poster who originally posted the following:



Not every article of impeachment has to garner a 2/3 majority vote for the motion to impeach to pass.

 

They'll punt it. Telling them to vote a formal inquiry like Evey president since Nixon's and get back to us when your done with that. The current star chamber routine doesn't pass the smell test.

 

The GOP is going use Article 1 Section 5 and define it along their own terms.

Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.

What is to stop the Senate from saying Case Dismissed?

Answer: nothing.....

 

Lindsay is a SENATOR,he doesn't get to vote on whether to impeach or not,the HOUSE decides that.If there is an impeachment trial he will get to vote to decide guilty or innocent.

 

Sorry, I should have stipulated..........only serious answers please.

 

I had not considered Mitch McTreason would subvert the constitutional process of impeachment to that extent. I don't know why given his track record for subverting democratic processes in the past.
But don't you think such a transparent abuse of authority would cause Senate Repubs to fear not being re-elected? I mean, I think they'd have to come up with a more devious way to avoid confronting blatantly illegal behavior on Don's part than that. They can pretend the Zelensky call was not illegal. Not so with refusing to comply with subpoenas.

 

This is just surmise on my part, but the GOP Senate is anticipating a repeat of 2018. Remember, they GAINED seats even though the HoR flipped. Why would they fear losing the majority based on hubristic interpretations of the previous cycle.

 

Empirically, because they are defending more seats than the Dems this time around. Politically, because such a move would constitute an obscene abuse of power that is indefensible.

 

I wonder how many of the folks who say that black people who've had lethal run-ins with police and illegal immigrants crossing the border should follow the law will insist that the President of the United States do the same? Or will it be another area that supporting Donald Trump will cause them to flip on their stated values?

 

Both are valid points.

If the Senate had not tabled the Garland nomination, I would normally agree.

 

I think an act like that would end any possibility of Trump being re-elected as well as Moscow Mitch and a whole lot of GOP Senators

 

No question McTurtle has absolutely no regard for tradition, protocol, decency, or the law. What he did was a naked power grab. I just think this time around the blowback among moderates, putting Repub Senate seats in jeopardy, would be more severe.

 

I count Lindsey Graham as a definite vote for removal of Trump. He would not be able to get away from his remarks during the Clinton impeachment. I am also counting on Romney, Murkowsky, Collins and a handful of others. But we would need about 20.

 

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It would appear the Turtleboy will be forced not to avoid the subject entirely.

McConnell eyes quick impeachment trial in Senate
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/16/mcconnell-impeachment-trial-senate-048599

So..........how do they get around the illegal stonewalling of subpoenas?

 

Yes, it's a daunting task. I'm just asking............how do Repub senators rationalize letting Don off the hook for an article of impeachment brought against Nixon for the same thing Trump is doing?

 

There is something going on in the house. The case against Trump is strong, but yet the democrats appear ready to jeopardize it by not having a formal vote to investigate. Could it be that, the democrats are even dirtier than what we believe and are afraid of being caught?

As it stands, the senate will refuse to do anything and it will go to the SC. Since the house has refused to even pretend to be fair, the SC will uphold the senates' decision. Pelosi doesn't want a vote on a formal impeachment investigation or for it to go the senate because too many of the democrats would be voted out of office and Pelosi would lose her leadership position.

 

I read it, and to your question, yup, it's looks to be you.

 

Wrong...

The Senate leadership doesn't have to take it up unless there is credible evidence.

Then the Chief Justice has to determine if the case has, "standing," to warrant an actual trial.

This is where the Dems would implode.

 

Trump's position is that the inquiry is illegitimate because it wasn't ratified by the house. He is refusing to cooperate with what he views as an illegitimate action. The Nixon impeachment iquiry was ratified by the house.

 

Here's the thing. Or two things. 1. The House does not have to take a vote to launch a legit impeachment inquiry. 2. Assuming the House does vote to impeach, that renders the question of a prior authorization vote moot. So if Team Trump has not complied with subpoenas by then they will be in violation of the law just as Nixon was (he is already).

 

It's just you. Most of what I see you post has to do with how much you hate Donald Trump how much you want him impeached for being the wrong president and how it consumes you.

 

The article of impeachment for Nixon I posted has obvious implications for Don. Get real.

 

Remember Nixon wasn't impeached he resigned before hand, do you think Trump will?

 

Impeachment was never the intention, it is a prop to give credence to the Ukraine thing which in itself was to create the appearance of wrong doing by the president. It will end in a stalemate as planned and the Dem's will have created doubt that they hope will tip the scales. Ain't gonna happen.