Maybe it's just me, but I think this is an interesting question.

Thank you for admitting their is no legal basis for Don and CO to stonewall congressional subpoenas or requests for information.

 

The fact is as long as he is president you will need to convince the senate to convict and that won't happen unless the Dems act like something other than self serving political hacks - a tough Go for Nancy et al since that's what they are and always have been. That's one of the reasons I think this notion currently being fired back and forth about Washington that this will all be wrapped up by Christmas is little more than a more transparent than usual fiction.

 

Silly rhetoric with the intent to deflect blame isn't a defense. Don is in violation of the law by refusing to comply with congressional inquires as part of their impeachment investigation. You have yet to explain how Senate Repubs will deal with that reality.

 

The power to subpoena is not granted in some preliminary vote. Every committee has its own rules to coerce cooperation in recalcitrant witnesses in any business that committee conducts whether it is investigatory or legislative business or both.. They do not ask the Speaker for permission, let alone the full house. They just do it as a committee under rules that the committee sets. You are trying to impose some artificial standard on impeachment hearings, that does not even apply to an investigation of gas company policies, social media behavior or the fishing industry.

You do have a point once there is a counter claim of executive privilege that asserts that there is no legislative function involved that merits a potential compromise with the executive claim, .but that position is usually pretty weak anyway. Its hard to find an impeachment inquiry where there are no statutes that could be re-written or tightened, no penalties to enhance and no statutory definitions to broaden as a counter measure to the perceived abuses they want to look at. But you are correct that employing impeachment as second legislative purpose to be needing this testimony is definitely does help Congress in court and that formal preliminary vote Pelosi is not having would be a complete lock on their chances to a near certainty in court.

 

So you think that when the Senate takes up the impeachment trial, they should dismiss it quickly on the grounds that the House didn't follow a rule that has never existed?

 

But not doing it made it partisan and unfair. The people don't like it.

No, when vote comes it will legitimize the inquiry for the people. You don't want me to bring up the "co-equal branch" stuff do you?

 

They should review the case quickly and take a vote.

 

How about they review the case thoroughly.

 

Thoroughly but quickly.

 

Speed is only a concern if you're worried about the political optics. If you're more concerned with finding the truth, you want it to take as long as is needed.

 

Truth in partisan politics? Sorry I nearly choked on that.

 

Hiding behind the notion that everything is just partisan politics is more than cynical, is purposefully inaccurate and a mis-characterization of the facts in evidence.

 

You're kidding? You don't see the partisan politics?

 

No I think they will dismiss it quickly as baseless garbage. Assuming of course there is any intention whatever to ever actually send anything to the Senate before the election which seriously doubt.

The current three ring circus isn't really intend to produce articles of impeachment anyway. It's actual purpose is two fold, first and foremost to keep their activist base excited and happy and secondly to ,hopefully, produce for Trump an electoral death by a thousand cuts. The problem with the Pelosi plan is that the far left portion of the dem base only exists in sufficient numbers to matter in a handful of states. It also runs the risk that rather than discourage Trump's core supporters it may, if they aren't exceedingly careful, have the same curative effect as dumping a truck load of gasoline on a forest fire.

 

How many more times do you have be told that the Senate will dismiss it as baseless garbage before you understand it?

 

news flash... if it's not a legit inquiry, then ALL requests are illegitimate and carry no weight nor penalties...

 

You can label the fact finding process by which the House is determining if a vote for impeachment is warranted as partisan if you like. It's the Trump playbook. He did the same sort of thing during the Mueller investigation. Impugning the process is really all he has. One might say............ “If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.”

 

But.............since we know it isn't baseless garbage..............what then?

 

So you don't see the partisan politics in it. That is truly amazing.

 

We can get down in the weeds if you like. Make your case instead of using generalities.

 

I made my case. I am amazed. Nothing more to it.

 

Since you can't make your case you'll pardon me for being unpersuaded. Thanks for playing.

 

Everything you just said hinges on the assumption that Trump didn't do anything wrong. And not just strictly with Ukraine, but with any other details of wrongdoing that may emerge during the impeachment inquiry, or from disgruntled former employees and others he has wrong, or Republicans fed up with his nonsense.

Come on man, this is Trump we're talking about. I know there's got to be some of his supporters who, at least inwardly if not publicly, can still look at him with some sense of objectivity no matter how much they approve of some or all of the things he's done and realize this is not a man who shies away from doing things he sees as personally beneficial no matter the ethical or legal problems.

I think that's why his supporters aren't really defending him so much as attacking his accusers and opponents.

If you never say he did something wrong and only attack his opponents, you can't be called wrong when his illicit behavior is revealed. Clever strategy.

 

There will always be spin, sure, but facts are facts. Investigations can help reveal them.

 

I love it when leftist mention objectivity and Trump in the same same paragraph. I can all but guarantee a bucket load of erroneous assumptions wah Trumpisms, and the one thing I can absolutely be certain of is that there will be nothing remotely reassembling objectivity.