Mick Mulvaney publicly confirms Trump held up Ukraine aid for political gain

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  1. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's probably correct... the State Department was pushing for the WH meeting, which was also being dangled for investigations. They weren't involved in the military aid being withheld by one man for no clear public reason.

    But Mick certainly was....

    You do understand there are now 2 QPQs out there, right?? Please tell me you are at least at that level...
     
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  2. Brit

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    From the White House transcript of the press conference:

    So you're seriously saying that Mulvaney didn't admit the arrangement was a quid pro quo?
     
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    The excuses for Trump reach new limits daily.
     
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  4. Egoboy

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    I think we need to seriously stop with the quid pro quo usage, since it's clear nobody in this administration has the basic education level to know what that is...

    I think I'm going to stick to Extortion from here on out.... that's certainly a word the criminally-minded are aware of...
     
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  5. struth

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    Sounds like he is describing what Biden bragged about. So if you want the house to investigate trump, why are you all upset about the DOJ looking into Biden’s actions?
     
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    I'm just curious about peoples' willingness to acknoweldge basic English.
     
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    I'm all for Biden being investigated, and the fact you assume I'm not despite having zero evidence for it speaks to how partisan you are.
     
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    So why are you mad that trump asked for the country involved to cooperate with the DOJ?
     
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    Following a Treaty even ~
     
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    The last time I'll respond to a strawman post from you. If you take the trouble to read what I wrote, you'll see that I was challenging someone who said Mulvaney didn't admit to a quid pro quo. I quoted the transcript of the press conference which clearly shows he did. That's it. When people look at black and say it's white, that bothers me. Beyond that, I'm not interested in responding to what you assume about my views. Try addressing what people actually write.
     
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    It's possible it's not their primary language....

    But Quid Pro Quo is not really even English... it's a complicated concept that Trump and his minions can hide behind because it's hard to tie actions to that phrase.

    I'm watching MSNBC this AM, and they seemed to be (incorrectly) focused on the fact that Mulvaney was talking about the DNC Server as the Ukraine piece and why that is a conspiracy theory.

    To me, it doesn't really matter that the ask was for a conspiracy theory. The fact that both Ukraine pieces were clearly politically motivated is the key here, not the level of how believable each piece was...
     
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    No.

    Yeah, ..............not
     
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    You know, I got up this morning and got on the board and saw this thread and kinda laughed before I opened it knowing the the usual suspects would be in here literally denying what Mulvany said, and lo-and-behold....I was right

    Mulvany LITERALLY admitted that they held the money......"We do it all the time". Then a reporter repeated that to him "so you're saying that the administration did withhold money from Ukraine", and Mulvaney said "yes, we do it all the time...."

    1. It is ILLEGAL to withhold the aid that congress approved
    2. He had a chance to walk it back and didn't, and he actually doubled down !

    and now we have the usuals suspects in here saying "he didn't say what he said"....."your twisting his words"........"the dems are reaching".

    If your a republican and you deny that Mulvany said what he actually said on national TV, your a traitor to the country FULL STOP
     
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    I agree that's the significant point. But I'm more curious about the complete breakdown of critical thinking sometimes evidenced on this board (not only on the right - Schiff's summation of Trump's call with Zelensky was fair? Give me a break.)
     
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    Election interference, with Hillary not part of an election. Classic dumb
     
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    I guess I just don’t understand the point of it all...what are the dems doing? It was ok for Obama to do this, but not trump?
     
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    I had that conversation with a poster yesterday. i'm not sure that's completely true. I believe there are occasions where aid could be legitimately withheld after Congress approving it. The 2 examples I mentioned yesterday were that the military situation in the country changed significantly or the leadership changed.

    Neither of those things happened here and the reason for THIS withhold is illegal, but I'm not sure I'd say it's a global illegality..

    If it was truly illegal on it's face, it's been known since mid July and there would be an even larger issue than it is now..
     
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    The point is that it is fine to do it to advance the national interest, but not one's personal interests. The server thing could be argued both ways, though it looks a bit fishy. But Biden? It's hard to make a case that that has nothing to do with Trump's political self-interest:

    - if Biden became the candidate he would be damaged by any adverse info
    - if he wasn't the candidate Trump could still use such info to smear the "corrupt dems"
     
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    Schiff's summation of Trump's call was theatre. He prefaced and ended it by saying the following

    SNIP
    “Shorn of its rambling character and in not so many words, this is the essence of what the president communicates.” And at the end, he added, “This is in sum and character what the president was trying to communicate with the president of Ukraine.”
    ENDSNIP

    And there was really only one thing he said that was truly factually incorrect, for which he should have agreed was overreach...

    SNIP
    I want you to make up dirt on my political opponent, understand. Lots of it.
    ENDSNIP

    That is bad and needed to be called out. After those exceptions, it's not that big a deal in my book.... Nobody said Schiff had to read verbatim from the transcript in his intro....
     
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    Mick said nothing about Biden. Sure his sons actions might be tied up in the overall corruption...but Mick wasn’t slowing down the aid based on that.
     
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    It was just a lie. Shifty is making things up as he goes.
     
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    Well, I saw people here saying he said nothing wrong. I think Pelosi even said it? This mindless tribalism is a big problem in US politics I think. But we're working on it here in the UK too :-(
     
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    And as he explained, the WH didn't want to push taxpayer dollars without talking to the President about Ukrainian corruption and lining their pockets. Evidently the left is full forward on giving corrupt governments money.
     
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    No, but Trump said it.
     
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    Because the evidence suggests he may have used his official powers to spur an election into the person who was most likely to challenge him in the general election.
     
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