Mick Mulvaney publicly confirms Trump held up Ukraine aid for political gain

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You mean you are all for giving money to a corrupt government so they can line their pockets?
     
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    Another poster who can't respond to what was actually written.
     
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    No he didn’t. He never said he withheld funds until they investigated Biden, for anything
     
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    Not sure what evidence you are looking at...Shifty’s parody?
     
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    That is what Mulvaney testified about and also testified there was no quid pro quo so...
     
  6. Egoboy

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    I saw those as well... I can generally defend Schiff on that theater, given the larger scale of the stakes at issue here, but when he, or anybody, oversteps, I have no trouble pointing that out.

    But I won't condemn a complete action based on one incorrect thing. That's how the "fake news" set wins...

    Since I have a UK member here, what's going to happen over there at the end of October? I read there is some sort of deal afoot, with the poorly coiffed Boris Johnson??

    Don't want to hijack my own thread, but it's pretty much at the end of its shelf life anyway...
     
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    Trump raised Biden in a way which could easily be construed in the broader context of what we know as a quid pro quo: "The other thing, there's a lot of talk about Biden's son". We know money was held up for the server investigation, as Mulvaney said. Trump adds Biden in the conversation, seeming to link it to the server issue, which is presumably "The other thing". Or do you have a different suggestion for what the other thing is?
     
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    Really? When did Mulvaney testify? Was it late last night??
     
  9. Brit

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    I'll ask again - in the transcript I quoted, are you honestly saying Mulvaney didn't admit there was a quid pro quo?
     
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    An absolutely astounding argument.
     
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    Yeah he brought it up because Biden was bragging about it, and simply asked to figure out what that was all about. It certainly was part of the broader issue of corruption in the prior admin.

    Trump however never mentioned aid, and the Ukrainians never even knew it was being delayed

    If the other party doesn’t know anything is conditioned on something there can be no quid pro...
     
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    OK, in brief, there's a deal agreed with the EU as of yesterday, but it looks unlikely Johnson will get enough votes in the House of Commons to pass it (same problem as months ago with Theresa May's deal). They're voting Saturday. If it doesn't pass, Johnson by law has to ask for an extension to the leave date, but there's speculation he has found a way to bypass the law and still leave on the 31st October without a deal. My suspicion is that he's bluffing but the very short answer to your question is no-one has any idea.
     
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    If you don't see a problem then I'm not going to try to convince you - the strawmen you started with don't give me much confidence that you're willing to look dispassionately at things.
     
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    He explicitly said that a quid pro quo took place.
     
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    Yeah I guess I just don’t see the issue.

    If the other party doesn’t know something is conditioned on something, there is nothing.
     
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    Yes, he did...he did what joe Biden bragged about. There is nothing to it
     
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    You are saying that Trump brought it up because of a statement Biden made 15 months earlier. Does that really make sense to you?
     
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    And yet, Mulvaney has subsequently said that the media twisted his words and that there was no quid pro quo. So which is it? Very confusing!
     
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    Joe Biden did not brag about a quid pro quo for personal political benefit. Mulvaney did.
     
  20. Egoboy

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    Really? And how exactly would "talking to the (new) President about Ukrainian corruption and lining their pockets" ease their fears??

    Be specific... I know Trump takes everybody's denials on their face (See V. Putin), but that's all it would take??

    Well then, the aid should have been immediately released after the 7/25 phone call by your definition, correct?? He talked to the new President....
     
  21. Sage3030

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    While y’all are arguing, id like to fix something both sides seem to have gotten wrong:


    It’s not a DNC server, it’s a Crowdstrike server that was asked to be found.
     
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    Actually he did.. To the CFR.. I'm sure you have seen the video by now.
     
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    Wrong.....Crowdstrike is a company looking into the server break.....

    CrowdStrike Holdings, Inc. is a cybersecurity technology company based in Sunnyvale, California. It provides endpoint security, threat intelligence, and cyberattack response services.[1] The company has been involved in investigations of several high profile cyber-attacks, including the Sony Pictures hack,[2] the 2016 Democratic National Committee email leak, and the Democratic National Committee cyber attacks.[3]
     
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  24. Egoboy

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    Hmm... conservative leaders finding ways to bypass the law.... I know I've seen that playbook before...

    Will watch for the vote tomorrow and thanks..
     
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    Sigh. From the “transcript”:

    I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it.

    https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-transcript-call/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/


    So yes, it’s a crowdstrike server.
     
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