McConnell vows to acquit Trump, even though the evidence has not even been presented.

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Are you saying you've given up on the obstruction of justice impeachment?

    OK you don't like him, we don't impeach Presidents because you don't like them. Nor is anything to do with Syria "impeachable". Vote him out if you don't like him.
     
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    bradt93 Well-Known Member

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    So Joe Biden gets caught and it's Trumps fault right democrats? Wow, talk about hypocrites.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Who's Joe Biden?
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    1. No. Obstruction continues by Trump & his minions. Obstruction should be a part of any impeachment charges.
    2. I'm not supporting impeachment because I don't like Trump. I didn't like GW Bush either, but I never supported impeachment against him. I want Trump impeached because he doesn't honor the established institutions of government, doesn't work with them, & uses the power of the Presidency to enrich himself & pursue personal revenge against his political opponents in ways that has never been done by any President in history before. Trump has already publicly admitted he reached out to a foreign leader to help him in his political election, a process that threatens democratic principles protected in the Constitution. Trump is endangering American elections & reducing the likelihood that the voice of the voters will be the determining factor in the end results. That goes against the oath he took on inauguration day 2017. I want Trump impeached because he is a danger to the government & the people he swore an oath to serve.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    I don't know what you're talking about. Joe Biden has been caught doing what? I know of no investigation that has determined Joe Biden did anything illegal or wrong. But it's all over the news today how many despicable things Trump has done, & continues doing, that are both wrong & illegal. What's wrong with you that you can't see that or accept that. The truth is knocking on your brain & your sense of honesty, if you have one. Why not respond?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Had to laugh at the title.

    McConnell vows to acquit Trump, even though the evidence has not even been presented.

    Of course there is no reason to convict if there is no evidence and so far, nothing.
     
  7. bradt93

    bradt93 Well-Known Member

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    Well, too bad. You all claimed he was illegitimate since day one. Of course the president is going to be upset. The democrats never worked with him on anything, not infrastructure, nothing.
     
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    bradt93 Well-Known Member

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    Also, you want Trump impeached, because your queen Hillary lost. Did you ever stop and think maybe she was a bad candidate who didn't even campaign in WI, MI and PA. Of course you don't, because in your mind Hillary was perfect. blech.
     
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    bradt93 Well-Known Member

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    Trump campaigned on being anti-establishment and he's kept that promise. You didn't want Bush impeached, because he was the establishment.
     
  10. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    After the past two days, if you don't see overwhelming evidence, then you've got your eyes & ears turned off. Yesterday, Mulvaney publicly stated, on camera, that he had frozen funds approved by Congress for Ukraine based on their compliance with Trump's desire to have them investigate the 2016 hacking of the Democratic Party computers. Trump wanted them to publicly absolve Putin of any wrong doing, & claim it was Ukraine hackers rather than Russian ones responsible. Trump is using the office of the Presidency to serve his own personal political goals, & he's doing that by working around the professionals in the State Dept who've dedicated their lives to sharing their expertise with whoever is President. Trump meant it when he said, "Only I can do it." He's NOT a team player. He doesn't work or play well with others. He has to be in control at all times. And it's that personality trait that forces us to recognize that he's the core power behind all these irrational & illegal acts surrounding his Presidency. He's a mental nut case & for America's safety, security & sanity, he MUST be impeached, convicted by the Senate & replaced by the end of this year.
     
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    First, Trump hasn't once submitted a request to Congress for them to pass an infrastructure bill. And, the President is supposed to take the lead on such bills. Second, Obama faced the same opposition from Republicans when he became President--from day one. On Inauguration Day or the day following, Senator Mitch McConnell publicly committed himself & all Republicans, to make sure Obama was limited to one term. He also swore he'd oppose everything Obama tried to do--& he did. Yet, Obama never abused the powers of the Presidency the way Trump is doing, by using it to enrich himself & team up with our strategic enemies (like Putin), to promote his own political influence or throw an election.

    The excesses Trump supporters are willing to ignore or even endorse in their enthusiasm for Trump, challenges the imagination. They are totally loyal to their leader rather than the nation. For many years I wondered how Hitler got the mindless support from his people in Germany while he was slaughtering Jews & every one disagreeing with him. It always bewildered & confused me. Now I'm watching the same process happen in my own country--something I never dreamed possible--& I'm just as confused & bewildered as before. In a country founded on the rights of the individual, supporting authoritative leaders makes absolutely no sense to me. Those who support Trump in this blind, mindless, thoughtless way, seem no different than those who supported Hitler in the 1930s. I'm just shocked to the core to realize these Trumpsters are Americans--but Americans who clearly don't value the Constitution or anything it stands for.
     
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    LOL, still stuck on the dem clown show narrative and not what Mulvaney actually said eh?
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    If your post reflects your efforts to read my mind & expose my thinking to the forum readers, I must tell you, you are failing--badly. Yes, I want Trump impeached because of his enthusiastic desertion of our comrades in arms for over 10 years, the Kurds. And, for his lack of respect & refusal to work with our professionals in government who have dedicated their entire lives, to serving their country & their President--and his continual efforts to circumvent them & ignore them in his total conviction that he has the only functional brain in Washington. And, his eagerness to break every agreement on any topic ever signed by his predecessors, as if the word of the U.S. as a nation had no value, no meaning & no honor. He's made us into the least trusted nation on the planet--not a reputation any nation would strive for. Instead of making America great again, he's turned America into the scum nation of the planet, & he deserves to be impeached, convicted & replaced for it.

    Yes, I voted for Hillary, but I was a Bernie supporter throughout the primaries. But it was clear to me that Trump didn't stand for the values I stood for, & wouldn't stand for those values if he became President. And, I was right, he hasn't.
     
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    Perhaps because of Trump, I'm learning that the "establishment" isn't all bad. Many "establishment" government workers are highly dedicated, loyal Americans, who do a darn good job at whatever position they're in. Because of Trump's disloyalty, I'm seeing the intrinsic value of those "establishment" people, because they're dependable. They can be trusted. Trump is flaky, undependable, self-serving, untrustworthy, & dishonest. Like many Americans, I was feeling tired of the "establishment"--didn't trust it--wanted it changed. But Trump has convinced me otherwise. Right now, that "establishment" is far more appealing than the derelict in the Oval Office.
     
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    I have watched Mulvaney on video several times, & what he said confirms he froze or withheld funding approved by Congress, & directed for Ukraine to help them resist military assaults by Russia on their national territory. Since it is illegal to withhold funds appropriated for specific causes by Congress, then Mulvaney admits to breaking the law. That makes the act he describes illegal, & that makes it a valid cause for impeachment.
     
  16. Hoosier8

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    Uh oh, that implicates Obama since he withheld funds in other programs.

    Trump delayed funds until he talked to the new President of a country with rampant corruption. Sounds like you just want to throw away taxpayer dollars on corrupt governments.
     
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    If you click your heels three times Trump will be impeached lol.
     
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    1. Obama is no longer President. Historians will have to deal with your issues here.
    2. If you believe your own post here, they you are badly informed. All the testimonies by professional State Dept employees in Congress this week have reinforced the truth that Trump used "Ukraine corruption" as a code word for his people, meaning having to do with his demand that Ukraine investigate the Bidens for corruption. In his phone call with Ukraine President that caused all the controversy, Trump never mentions the word "corruption." Don't you think it odd that Trump is blocking the funds for Ukraine, & tells the Ukraine President he wants a favor, but never once mentions any connection to Ukraine "corruption" in that conversation? Trump is a proven liar, & your post demonstrates your gullibility to those lies. Trump doesn't deserve your loyalty. He'd certainly not reciprocate if he knew you.
     
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    You make fun of my concern. My question is why are you NOT concerned about the impacts Trump is having on the way our government departments are failing to function; how Trump has broken every treaty or agreement our nation promised to honor before Trump became President; how Trump has been the first President to openly involve foreign governments in our domestic elections; or how Trump feels completely free to abandon our comrades in arms to be slaughtered by their worst enemy, after a decade of fighting together against ISIS? What kind of American does these things? How can he deserve your loyalty, or anyone else's?
     
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    Because he's not a politician who doesn't take BS from anyone. He also looks out for the American worker compared to past administrations. Did you know Trump supports the GM strike? I bet you didn't know that did you? You're one of those people who say I don't care how good the economy is, Trump is mean!!! LOL.
     
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    Perhaps you support Trump because, like Trump, everything, for you, of value can be measured by a dollar sign. I have other values I regard as higher. But, I gather from your posts, you, like Trump, don;t see or recognize them. Sad for you as a person. Sad for our country, because people like you enable Trump to continue.
     
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    having enough evidence to decide guilt is one thing, saying no matter what evidence comes out we will acquit is anouther

    there is already enough information out there to show guilt, even some republicans agree with that

    the Mueller report alone showed he should be impeached
     
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    tell us why he's not allowed to go 'batshit crazy' while it's ok for dems to do it
     
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    Exactly, the hypocrisy is stunning.
     
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    In what way are dems doing that?
     

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