Electric-Car Owners Hard Hit by Massive California Power Shutdown

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  1. Spim

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    they dont drop their old cars off at the scrap yard, they trade them in and guys like me buy them after they did all the expensive depreciation for me.

    Actually in my example I buy them after they're traded in two or three times, I bought my lexus with 176k miles for $2750 2 years ago, now 193k, very reliable Toyota v6. new tires $300 and a $125 starter that was 1/2 hour install, $40. It will probably still be running when I get tired of it.

    it cant depreciate much more, its maxed out.

    I can afford to lease two new cars but it's like flushing money down the drain, so I dont.[/QUOTE]
     
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    isnt that how they calculate mpg on regular cars too? it's all relative. I think my car is rated for 24mpg, I average 21.

    On my last vacation I rented a Passat and got 37 so I saved wear & tear + $60 in fuel costs.
     
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    they still pay tens of thousands over the trade-in. the fuel savings do not add up to the expense of purchase plus finance charges/interest... vanity always wastes money buyin shiny sh*t like deer in headlights...
     
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    they still pay tens of thousands over the trade-in. the fuel savings do not add up to the expense of purchase plus finance charges/interest... vanity always wastes money buyin shiny sh*t like deer in headlights...[/QUOTE]

    I've never understood it (shiny new cars) much, it shocks me what people spend on them. But that applies to EV's as well as "the lexus summer event"
    I break them into groups
    those that can afford it <good for them
    those that afford it but really can't (not saving much)
    those that cant afford it period but do anyway (saving nothing)
    those that fear/loath maintenance on old cars.

    I've generally had excellent luck with older vehicles but I stick with proven brands. Its not like most of us that like older cars are buying $800 beaters which I think the common perception is, its amazing what 5-15K (depending on budget) will get you.

    I remember some article estimating that the average car costs over $400 a month to own (depreciation, payments, maintenance), my personal numbers are WAY below that (150 at worst, probably closer to 100)
     
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    I have never heard of any private entities that have their own nuke power. I did know of Some universities that research reactors but were not used to power any buildings. Where Nuclear power is in use in some states like mine, electric costs are generally much lower than gas. Nuclear is clean power but is perceived to be too much of a risk plus the initial cost is more than what most private utilities are able to bear. France is about 50% nuclear and seems to be accepted there. I'm not sure why nuke facilities can't be build in places like Nevada or New Mexico where the land is already government owned, where nuke tests were conducted and where the land is not useable of any other purpose. I'm sure science could figure out how to contain radioactivity as easily as screwing around with solar and other sources that can never meet all the needs that fossil fuels now provide.
     
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    i should have mentioned that is is a state university hospital, one of the largest & most advanced & well staffed in the state
     
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    Is your gas bill combined with your electric bill?
     
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    I had a 1982 Honda Accord commuter car that I bought in 1985, junked in 2007 with 317,000 miles with regular maintenance and changing parts that wore out. It didn't own me a darn thing.
     
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    yes, no gas bill, 2 adults empty nesters 1900 under air. Most people I talk to (that aren't widows) seem to be in the 170-200 average around here, those with larger families obviously pay more.
     
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    I can relate, had accords & prelude from the 80's up until early 2000's, most crossed 250/300K but I was commuting longer distance, then switched away from honda to lexus 300 series and have sold a couple with over 250k, dam hard to kill. Sold most of them cheap and quickly, sometimes in hours because they still ran. I've yet to "junk" a car, but i'll admit we've pushed our luck. I usually get tired of looking at them before mechanical issues come into play.

    As all of this relates to the EV's, that's why i'm pretty dam sure that I won't own one anytime soon, right now when we see 2012-2015 models on the road we say "wow that's a beauty, it will be nice to own it in 10 years" and laugh a little bit. So hypothetically if EV's are the majority of cars on the road in 2035, i'll be still be eyeballing 2024 models and might stumble across a nice clean 2019 model with "only" 140K miles (which I consider "just getting broken in") :)

    anyway, for those that want to go green and can afford it, they can individually decide if an EV is a good fit, and good for them, overall they aren't nearly as green as they think, but they are most definitely greener, how much it up for debate.
     
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    I already sourced that I am right.
     
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    Still means... the combustion car is completely inefficient machine.

    You still aint no expert. Your alleged experience doesn't include electric cars. And I sourced how it is.
     
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    You debunked nothing.

    Your alleged experience doesn't include electric cars, so you're no expert by your own account.

    You go source that.
     
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    Again.... I already sourced that electric cars have far less maintenance.
     
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    except for you don't have to spend hours recharging it every day. and it is far less likely to burn down your house


    You don't have to accept that I'm an expert but I am.

    Again you could source how the loch Ness monster exists that doesn't mean it does.
     
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    The United States is not immune to the fluctuations of the international oil trade. That's not how capitalism works. lol
     
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    Didn't try to debunk anything but okay.


    what is the difference between electric vehicles and electric cars?

    If somehow someone made some material that could never ever wear they should patent it and sell it to the military for billions.

    Basically put all materials where if a motor is not made out of materials what is it made out of?
     
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    You need to prove your own things. I'm not your Siri or Alexa.
    This aint no show of... I am right if you do not look things up for me.
     
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    The United States is not immune to the fluctuations of the international oil trade. That's not how globalism works.
     
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    The car doesn't do crap most of the time at home. And you go source that electric cars burn down houses more frequently.

    An "expert" that is unable to found his opinion with a source... lol
     
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    Is that all you got? Pointless questions? lol

    The underlying thing of this, is that you contest that electric cars do not have less maintenance. And I already sourced that this is true.
     
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    I never called you a liar. You seem to have a guilty conscious though.
     
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    Well then don't answer, most likely because those answers would embarrass you.
     
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    It's not those times I care about.
    No, if you want to dismiss that claim go ahead


    I am a source.
     

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