What's Wrong With America?

1. I'll never understand why so many Americans care what others have. Someone being rich and you not being rich have nothing to do with each other. The question should be why aren't lower class Americans able to earn more.

2. Obamacare is garbage. That's why huge swaths of it weren't implemented on time even while Obama was President. Americans use more health care than any country on the planet. The US also has the best outcomes for those who get treatment. Get insurance. If you can't afford it, then cut expenses until you can. If you still can't, then I favor government intervention, but you'll see no sympathy from me for someone who opts to make a $500 monthly car payment instead of paying for health coverage.

 

Not taking in to consideration, child support.. I have seen some real ball busting judges and men reduced to living like a bum on three figure wages..

 

https://www.shell.us/careers/experi...hell-oil-company-2017-summary-of-benefits.pdf

Those are the benefits I get as an employee.

Please don't project the fact that your employer never saw fit to provide you with that onto the rest of us.

 

It would probably be more expensive for those men to get custody of the children and raise them. Custodial parents usually pay the lion's share of the cost you know.

 

I really couldn't say, I'm just going off what the judge set their support at and I never had children, sooo?

 

Kids cost money. Either the parents pay, or I pay. I'll choose the former readily.

 

Hell no.. that is absolutely wrong.. you have the very fundamental premise of the constitution wrong. The founding tathers were explicit that many rights exist apart from government and the government has no authority to take them away without due process of law.

Your idea that government provides rights to the people is base and disgusting and shows absolutely no constitutional education at all. It's the beginnings of totalitarianism.

 

Affirmative!

 

CONGRESS. July 4 1776.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

The entire purpose of a federal government is to preserve those unalienable rights.

Any government not preserving those rights is illegitimate and the people are well within their rights to overthrow that government .

Yes, i am saying that the American government is barely legitimate and all other governments are overreaching their authority.

 

So much wrong here it isn't even funny. 1st the problem is one of psychological in nature not mathematical and I'm not the first to point it out. High taxes and heavy bureaucratic overload, drive money into wealth preservation schemes in the US this enriches money managers. It does this simply by making wealth preservation more profitable than wealth creation. Wealth creation requires you to spend money on productive activities and hiring programmers, machinists, designers and a host of other such activities. This makes for a vibrant skilled middle class. The Chief issue with excessive regulations is they tend to increase the cost of labor in a whole host of ways also driving up the cost of wealth creation. We got through the fifties in spite of a confiscatory border line insane tax policy because of two reasons, 1st we were the only game in town for most of the decade and 2nd most of the current regulatory bureaucracy did not exist and third minimum wage was less than a dollar an hour.

 

Pursuit of happiness does not guarantee you will ever catch it. Also note the phrase " towards a more perfect union" does not imply it will ever be perfect. The founding fathers did not believe in a utopian ideal.

 

What about the Minority Report with Tom Cruise? Seem like now, the Minority can just predetect future-crimes. This fetus is under arrest for the ego harm of a Minority, no what? waaah

 

If rights were independent of government then the people of North Korea must have the same rights as the people of the US.

 

Here you are contradicting yourself.

Did you not say that government doesn't give you rights, yet here you are quoting, "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,"

 

They do! The government is unjustly suppressing them.

 

Yet they accepted the idea that the human condition could be improved through science and technology.

 

That's not a contradiction. That's exactly what i just said.. the American government was formed to secure those pre existing rights, it did not create them, it just secures them.. unlike your above example of North Korea. They are not securing any of its peoples unalienable rights.

Maybe your education in Boulder skipped reading comprehension?

 

Yeah, so?

 

Somehow I greatly doubt that your ideas agree with the available data.

 

No just the reality doesn't fit your fantasy.

 

Without a government that values and protects rights and freedoms, people have no rights or freedoms.

Women didn't have the right to vote until governments gave them the right to vote. Women in the Western States had the right to vote more than twenty years before women in the Eastern States.

Here in Oregon I have the right to grow and smoke marihuana. There are other states that would deny me those rights, even punish me for exercising my rights
It is why I prefer to live in liberal oases, I have more rights and freedoms. Liberal police tend to be on the tolerant side, whereas conservative police tend to be strict, even anal.

 

Like tax cuts pay for themselves. giggle giggle
I guess that explains why the deficit increases every time Republicans cut taxes. And those deficits are paid for by increasing the national debt.

Have they not been telling you in right wing media, about the massive debt increase that has occured since Trump's election. All two trillion dollars of it. The Republicans have reduced the taxes on the wealthy, and given all of us more debt

 

You're claiming that more than TWO TRILLION in tax income each year is not enough to properly fund the U.S. government?

 

You said that one has rights independent of government. But without a government to grant them, they are just a fantasy.

Even man in the wild, only had as many rights and freedoms as he and his band were able to secure for themselves. I can only have the freedom of leisure because because I live under a government that values my property rights. I don't have to fight off invaders to keep my right to my land. The government gives me the right to have rights. In the wild, the guy with the biggest muscle, usually has more rights than those who are weak. Only a government can give us equal rights.

And before some of you go commie on me, equal rights does not mean equal. I grew up athletically competitive. Equal rights is like fair play. Only through fair competition, can the true winners be truly known. There is no honor in cheating, and by denying rights to others, one is cheating at life.

 

All hail the mighty government! Where do I sign up for my free cheese?

Scary **** in that post.....people actually believe this stuff.

For some odd reason Charlton Heston popped into my head.....when he met future humans on the Planet of the Apes.....and they worshipped a nuclear bomb as their god.