Fires and Blackouts Made in Sacramento

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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Then they are still performing a very valuable service. CA is lucky to have them.
     
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    No need for any of these policies to be new. We have had plenty of time to sort things out with minimum interruption into our lives. Our Governments chose not to. The extent of the problem and the likely outcome as to where we would be now was known with incredible accuracy to those who then started brainwashing the willing not to see. The longer work takes to get moving, the more damage, the more expense and the less America left for habitation.



    Now these are the people who should be in jail and providing the needed money. Ecocide would probably be a capital crime among those who believe in such things which I do not but must be one of the most if not the most serious crimes there is. Really, these people knowing provided false information so that they could continue destroying the planet to make obscene amounts of money.
     
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    Nuclear fusion would seem to be the answer but I read they are not expecting that to be available till 2040.

    It isn't just changing energy that is required. We have yet to see the consequences of about the 20 worst years of climate damage - for some reason it hits us 20-30 years after done, There is no way that we can now manage to survive without massive consequences. Those of mass starvation, lack of water, land disappearing, massive refugees and so on. Insects and animals are going extinct. We need them for our survival. We also need to change our farming techniques and on and on and on. This is going to get much worse even if we now work at optimum level to change it. We chose to do virtually nothing knowing the situation and knowing that we had moved past the time when we could escape major damage. We cannot escape it now and much worse is to come but we can change to cope with it and work together.

    Weather is of course going to be one of the major problems. Being too hot or too cold, too dry or too rainy and most of all having extreme weather storms which used to be once a century happening about every year.

    The reason climate scientists are against nuclear is because of the fear of the storms and the reaction that would have if radiation was set loose. Nuclear fusion however does sound like the Utopia, if they can get it working quicker. Till then we need to get cracking as each day not used means a more difficult life every day for the future.
     
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    which insects and animals have gone extinct due to global warming ??
     
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    I said are going. As far as mammals. I believe the first one went extinct purely from climate change in Australia a few months to a year ago. There have probably been more since. Of course you can also include in that the destruction of gorillas and other creatures due to the destruction of forests. Then you have things like Bees and Daddy long legs are of great concern and all kinds of other things.

    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ng-insect-numbers-threaten-collapse-of-nature
     
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    So you have nothing.
     
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    They get payed less than min wage (and I'm talking Fed min wage here) and is barely sufficient to buy toiletries from the prison, death is highly likely and the skills are useless on the outside because Californian law prohibits ex-cons from any kind of 1st responder work. They're slaves, they're only real motivation is to get out of their cell and their training is subpar compared to actual firefighters. I'm not trashing the prisionors, good on them, it's the Californian government I'm calling out here.
     
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    If the prospect of mass starvation, ecological collapse and an entire order of life going extinct is nothing.
     
  9. AFM

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    They receive much less than minimum wage. They are prisoners of the state to repay their debt to society.
     
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    Will this all happen 12 years from now ???
     
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    My tax dollars are feeding, clothing and housing those idiots, fighting fires is the least they should do for time off their sentences.
     
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    Don't do the crime if ya can't do the time.
     
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    It literally looks like driving into hell
    https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=uWwcw_1572363120
     
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    This is complete pseudo science. Modern nuclear technology is far safer than you have been led to believe by the fossil fuel and green tech industries.

    If you are concerned about radiation then why not use breeder reactors to destroy 85% of current radioactive waste?

    Come to think of it, if you want to avoid radiation then don't fly on airplanes. Ionising radiation is natural, and it is everywhere, in higher doses than you might think. Live in a granite rich area? Chances are your town is more radioactive than Fukushima.

    I agree nuclear fusion completely destroys this whole issue. We will then have abundant power forever. But we are always 30 years away from fusion and we have a responsibility to use modern fission tech now.
     
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    Lawrence Livermore Lab in NorCal has given up on fusion.
     
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    Hence my last paragraph.
     
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    Yes, it’s all over the state. Sunday we had ~ 40 mph winds in NorCal. We were surrounded by fire feeding on fuel that could not be removed without conducting an environmental impact study.
     
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    I took a group of engineers that I managed to Livermore ~ 20 years ago for a fusion project tour. Very interesting but a crazy hard technology to develop into a practical application.

    Actually I was wrong. They are still working on it. I think they slowed it down and reconfigured the project. Still nowhere near a practical implementation.
     
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    Yeah it will move along at a snail's pace until they have some major breakthrough, or not.

    We have proven liquid fluoride thorium reactors since the 60s. The technology works. It is abundant. It reduces nuclear waste that already exists. It cannot melt down. It has very little downtime as new fuel can be added and waste removed without shutting it down. Nixon went with the alternative because it could be used to make bombs.

    The reality of the climate situation is that we need nuclear. We need a grid with minimal downtime. If hydro was scalable this would be ideal but it is not.

    Politically no solution will be viable that skyrockets power prices.

    Nuclear grid and household solar now. Solve the water crisis at the same time with desalination mated to the nuclear plant.
     
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    The Fukushima Daiichi power plant began operation in 1971.

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    Like this car. 1971 Ford Pinto

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    Modern cars don't do that anymore. Why? Advances in technology. You can't compare 1971 technology of the Fukushima Daiichi power plant with that of today. My EX's father had a single heart bypass in 1973, he was given a 50/50 chance of surviving and died on the operating table. Today multiple by passes are almost routine. How many U.S. Warships have blown up or had a bad nuclear accident since they came out in the late 1950's? There's no need to be afraid of nuclear power.

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    One can argue they are paying back the taxpayers, that foot their room and board. Why should inmates live free? My landlord expects his rent.
     
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    The real tragedy of the Fukushima reactors is that there was a passive gravity fed core cooling system retrofit that was not installed. When the tsunami flooded the diesel generators the core cooling pumps shut down. The gravity system would have provided sufficient cooling to avoid fuel rod overheating and subsequent meltdown. The Fukushima reactors were BWRs designed by GE where I worked in the 70’s.
     
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    The best thing for taxpayers would be to cane and release most non-violent prisoners.
    Of course, there is too much money in the incarceration biz to ever do that, so letting inmates volunteer for some useful service is probably as good as it gets for taxpayers and prisoners.
     
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    I won’t let you starve.
     
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    They should all be doing hard labor all the time. Not just when there’s a fire.
     
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