Texas gun control activist shoots her three children dead

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  1. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then turns her gun on herself.

    Another classic of do as I say not as I do, GCA Ashley Auzenne, 39 was well known advocate for gun control posting multiple social media messages calling for an end to gun violence using the hashtags #Enough and #EndGunViolence.

    "Authorities discovered the bodies of the woman and her children after they were called to Auzenne's home on Thursday by a relative who had requested a welfare check."

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ots-her-three-children-dead-in-murder-suicide
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Ashley Auzenne, 39, was known to have been battling depression and anxiety in addition to physical ailments such as arthritis and lupus at the time of her death, which was ruled as a suicide by a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

    This is absolutely horrific and terrible. From reading the story it seems like this woman was going through multiple life stressors coupled with mental issues in the form of depression and anxiety. A welfare check was requested by a family member but it was too late.

    This is too horrific of a story to use as a finger pointing for hypocrisy. In reality this story is a better example of the debate on whether folks with confirmed mental issues should be allowed to own guns in the first place.
     
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    Moonglow Well-Known Member

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    Her form of protest and grievance may have been a silent cry for help.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I've known a handful of folks who were anti-gun because they didn't trust themselves with a gun. They understandably don't trust others with a gun, given the human tendency to want to be 'normal' and believe others are like them.

    What I don't get are people who have guns but don't want others to have guns. I view these people as elitist megalomaniacs.
     
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    First my heart goes to those children and Godspeed

    To the mother I have nothing but loathing and contempt
     
  6. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe you are on to something, I dug into something very similar here in Florida, the Parkland shooter Cruz, I honestly believe he understood he had serious mantal problems, and I believe he wanted help, but at every turn his pleas fell upon deaf ears, with each ignored plea, he escalated his reaction, then his mother died.

    After that he using the money he received from his mothers life insurance policy bought his rifle and began making more threats both online and at home, they where also ignored.

    With nothing left to lose and no one giving a rats fanny about him, he took an Uber to MSD and the rest is history.
     
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    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Considering the nature of this tragedy, I can understand someone not wanting anyone to pull the "hypocrisy" card, but can someone explain to me why so many gun control activists have guns? It's bizarre to me, and as I recall, it stopped dead the gun control debate between Ted Cruz and Alyssa Milano when she confessed to having two loaded handguns at home.

    Sorry I just don't get that.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was thinking this as well. Reminds me of a discussion I had in this forum with a member named Guyzilla.

    Or have bodyguards who have guns...
     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    No, these folks are "more important" than you are that's why they need bodyguards and guns to protect them.

    Why exactly do you need a gun? Only celebrities and politicians get attacked in America. If you find yourself in the event of a home invasion then throw your pops and pans at them and/or chase them away with the broomstick like they do in Australia.

    Literally, somebody argued that one time here...
     
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    it is akin to idiots who told women that they don't need firearms to fend off rapists. Rather, in case of attack, they argued the woman should piss and crap herself and that would make her too nasty for the rapist.
     
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    Sad. The meds prescribed for depression list thoughts of suicide as a side effect.

    That may explain why those pushing gun control look like they're holding in a dump!
     
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    Yet....why did a gun control activist....have a gun....?
     
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    That's what leftism is.
     
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    Actually it was "crockery", and I remember it perfectly.
     
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    And when that is carried out the GCA's blame the tool used, not the fool who pulled the trigger, this attitude is akin to blaming motor vehicles for drunk drivers killing people.
     
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    Well in giving her the benefit of the doubt she may very well have been one of those people who are not flat out against folks having guns at all but rather wanting massive restrictions on them. I've met plenty of people like that who own guns themselves but think that AR-15s and 30 round mags and whatnot should be illegal, and all guns should be registered or whatever.

    I know nothing about this woman or what she was actually proposing as far as regulations go. For all I know she could have been a strong hypocritical proponent of the Red Flag laws when she herself was the literal definition of a Red Flag case.
     
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    "Women are 100 times more likely to be fatally shot by a man with a gun than use one for self defense."
    https://www.harpersbazaar.com/cultu...nra-dana-loesch-guns-women-self-defense-myth/

    Are you comfortable with that ratio? Does one case of self-defense justify 100 deaths?

    Widespread gun ownership certainly hasn't resulted in a safer society for women.
     
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    They're the old pulpit pounder do as I say, not as I do types.
     
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    Which is a myth in of itself.

    Actually the ratio is the other way around times 10

    In many cases it has you are not just looking for something that doesn't fit your GCA narrative.
     
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    Since the article is hidden behind a pay wall block to prevent free access and evaluation, it is invalid and will not be considered otherwise.
     
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    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The article is a hack job on Dana Loesch an NRA spokesperson not backed by any traceable facts, it is strictly the opinion of an anti-gun editor at large and can be dismissed as such.

    However what is known from a study done by the CDC is.

    "In particular, a 2013 study ordered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and conducted by The National Academies’ Institute of Medicine and National Research Council reported that, “Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence”:

    "Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008."
     
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    The 2013 study also included the following;
    "Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was 'used' by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies."
     
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    And they don't even count the times a gun was used to stop an attack without being fired, which I personally know works, as I did such to prevent being robbed by just simply placing my hand on the stock of what was my concealed handgun.

    The guy with a knife decided my property wasn't worth his life and fled.
     

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