BREAKING: House impeachment investigators release transcripts of first two deposition testimonies

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  1. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Why must I keep repeating myself?

    This latest hoax is based on opinion.

    We have the transcript of the call.

    We know the words that were used.

    Some propose that they are of the opinion that those words imply some greater meaning.

    Who cares? It's their opinion.

    I read the text and find their opinion baseless.

    If people are determined to want to claim something, that isn't concretely there, based on some imagined interpretation, I'm gonna call it bullshit.
     
  2. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    The facts are true.

    The interpretation of those facts are opinion.
     
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    If these political opponents are involved in corruption, that's a them problem
     
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    Ambassador Sondland has now come out & publicly admitted that Trump made Ukraine compliance with his demand for an investigation into the Bidens a requirement for getting American military aid to Ukraine flowing again. Trump's demand for that investigation by Ukraine was illegal. But additionally, Ukraine is a friend of the U.S., & has been for several decades, & under both Democratic & Republican Presidents. Trump literally threatened Ukraine independence from Russia by withholding that aid. How does that serve the interests of the U.S.? Trump was doing what he always does--serving himself. Trump literally doesn't care how that impacts the country. How can you or anyone defend this?
     
  5. Bluesguy

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    Oh geez you are joking. When did the Republicans use fake dossiers to start a counter intelligence investigation on Obama which led to a 2 year Special Counsel investigation and when that failed came up with a scheme to impeachment for carrying out his constitutional authority and duties and then start an impeachment against him. Remind me of that please. And you think returning favors is what this is about? All the more damning for the Democrats.

    You may think it wrong for a president to protect our national interest and taxpayer dollars bit others like me believe that is what he is elected to do. And do explain how objecting to investigating possible corruption at the highest levels and demanding a President doing so is the mark of integrity. Explain how Schiff telling the American people for two years he had clear and convincing evidence of Trump colliding with Russians when all along it was a lie is the mark of integrity. Tell me how Schiff and his staff colluding with an anti-Trump partisan government employee to create this current attempt to over throw an electionand lying to the American people about it is the mark of integrity.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    The people testifying in these committees are, highly trained, dedicated professionals, whose foremost concern is to serve their country. They've dedicated their lives to that mission. They have nothing to gain & everything to lose by publicly speaking out. But they care more about protecting the Constitution than they care about themselves, their careers or their personal safety. I admire them. I believe them. Trump always attacks & demeans & dehumanizes anyone disagreeing with him. He's doing that now. But that's expected. The painful thing to watch is all the Republicans mindlessly following his example, forsaking their own integrity & concerns for their country, supporting his every whim, believing everything he says without question, & never considering the damage their hero is doing to the Constitution that preserves, protects & defends their own individual rights that Trump would toss out the window in a second if he thought it would benefit himself in some way.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Not if their actions imperil or endanger the security of the U.S.--which Trump, Sondland, Guiliani, & Pompero are doing.
     
  8. Thought Criminal

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    "Ambassador Sondland has now come out & publicly admitted that Trump made Ukraine compliance with his demand for an investigation into the Bidens a requirement for getting American military aid to Ukraine flowing again."

    Quote him. He didn't say that. Why are you posting propaganda? Do you have some ulterior motive for posting a blatant untruth?

    He said that he presumed that. In other words, he gave an opinion.
     
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  9. Bluesguy

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    Perhaps you missed it Ukraine got the military assistence. Perhaps you missed Trump has stood up to the Russians far more than previous Presidents and hasn't tapped Putin on the knee telling him just wait till after the election when he will have far more flexibility to kiss their arses. Perhaps you missed he is the first President to force NATO to bone up and strengthen their defenses against Russia. It was his job to protect our foreign investment and aid to one of the most corrupt countries in the world where they were apparently engaged in a CORRUPT quid pro quo with our last VP and his son. As Kent testified today that was at the top of their list at theState department to ensure that money did not fall into corrupt hands and it is up to he PRESIDENT to make that final determination. And you want to impeach him for it. Amazing.
     
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    Yes, you said it already. You like Pelosi. This surprises no one.

    In fact, it's a breath of fresh air to hear alt left radicals admit they like that crazy bat!

    Many thanks to your honesty
     
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    Giggles.
    That's silliness
     
  12. Bluesguy

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    And Kent testified there was serious concern in the State Department the money WOULD fall into corrupt hands and warned Trump of that.
     
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    He is using the EXACT Same Standards that COMEDY Sites like Breitbart consider "News".

    ^So, there's that. :flagus:

    Anyway, on topic, I am glad that Sondland finally came clean. :salute:
     
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    1. Republicans never took that particular action against Obama, but they did obstruct everything Obama tried to do for the nation, & prevented all action on Obama's last Constitutional nominee to the Supreme Court. None of that was acting in the best interest of the nation that elected Obama in the first place.
    2. No, I don't. I am a Democrat who favors & supports the impeachment & removal of Trump, but not based on any kind of spiteful response for past Republican behaviors. I support impeachment because I regard what Trump is doing as President as harmful to our Constitutional government & damaging to our long term foreign affairs.
    3. How does breaking America's commitments around the world serve our national interests? How does abandoning our long-term allies on the field of battle for no good reason serve our national interests? How does making America the biggest liar & least trustworthy nation on the planet serve our national interests? How does inviting foreign countries to engage in activities that can & do affect our domestic elections serve our national interests? I could go on, but I doubt you're listening.
    4. I don't object to investigating possible wrongdoing at the highest level, REGARDLESS OF THE PARTY THEY BELONG TO. If there is evidence that Biden or his son were engaged in wrongdoing, then as a Democrat, I say investigate them. I care about the country, not the candidate. I care about the Constitution, not Trump.
    5. Schiff DID have clear evidence of possible collusion with Russia--certainly enough to warrant an investigation. Since then that evidence has multiplied, & though still not sufficient to convince Republicans action is needed, is enough for those of us watching, to be seriously concerned about Trump's ties to Putin.
    6. Neither Schiff, Pelosi, nor any other Democrat is trying to overthrow the 2016 election. That's history. But we're trying hard to send Trump back to his tower & replace him with some sanity for a change.
     
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    I don't have the verbatim quotes, but Sondland did publicly agree that there was a quid quo pro between Trump & Ukraine where an investigation on the Bidens would be a requirement in exchange for releasing the military aid. If Trump's demands were for some action to benefit the nation, it would have been OK. But Trump wanted dirt on Biden to benefit himself & his political career. Trump was using the power of the Presidency to pay for & promote his personal political advancement. That activity was a criminal act that totally failed to benefit the country Trump swore to serve. How can you or anyone be OK with this?
     
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    Thanks. I appreciate that, but I don't even care anymore. I'm fed up with all the anti-democrats who are supporting the subversion of our election process.

    I don't have any faith in our politicians, but that is our process. If we were to surrender our self-rule to those unelected bureaucrats, who believe that they know how to run our lives better than we, we have submitted to tyranny.

    I don't have any sympathy for those who are so dissatisfied with the result of an election that they would sacrifice any and all of this nation's foundational principles in order to get their way.
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Stop posting crap! He didn't agree to that. He said that he thought that.

    Why are you doing this? What goal do you think that you are promoting? Do you think that if only Trump is removed, by any means necessary, that utopia will be achieved?

    Honestly, I don't understand why ordinary citizens are supporting the subversion of our system of government.

    What's the deal? Do you think that some hireling bureaucratic politburo should direct our lives and interactions with the rest of the world?

    I am totally baffled that anyone would defend the crap that is happening.. Trump was elected! Tough crap! Get over it!

    Someone will come after him and you can resume your pursuit of the Global Socialist Utopia! I just hope that you'll leave me alone and I don't live to be oppressed under it.
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    I just want to let you know that I don't have an "ignore list".
     
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    To be honest, it's not Trump ruining anything! It's the left and their incessant campaign to pin something on him.. You want to point fingers at the people keeping this country in a daily flow of bullshit look no further then the Democratic party..
     
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    Is your basis for the bolded based on their silence to date?
     
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    He testified that he inferred that. He has no actual evidence of that.

    QUID PRO WHAT?

    The nation stands baffled by the Democrats’ impeachment proceeding. They are laboring manfully to show a quid pro quo in the Trump administration’s dealings with Ukraine. The “quid” was military aid that Ukraine wanted, but the Obama administration had been unwilling to provide, and about which many were concerned because of Ukraine’s history of endemic corruption. The “quo,” allegedly, was Ukraine’s undertaking to investigate the $3 million bribe paid by the Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma to the Biden family.

    I wish Ukraine would investigate the corruption involving the Obama/Biden administration, and there is nothing wrong with leaning on the current Ukrainian government to do so. The fact that Joe Biden is now a presidential candidate does not put him above the law.

    However: the Ukrainian government reportedly didn’t know it had been delayed, which obviously negates the existence of a quid pro quo during that time, such aid was soon provided even though the Ukrainian government had NOT issued a statement on Burisma corruption, and had NOT commenced a Burisma/Biden investigation. So, what is the point? Military aid was NOT made contingent on a Burisma investigation; there was no investigation, but the aid was provided anyway. So the impeachment proceeding is an effort to read President Trump’s mind during the days in which aid was briefly delayed.

    The idea that there is an impeachable offense buried somewhere in here is ridiculous. What is really going on here was described by Mark Zaid, lawyer for the whistleblower Democratic Party activist who triggered the impeachment farce, in January 2017: an attempted coup.

    [​IMG]
    Mark S. Zaid

    ✔@MarkSZaidEsq

    #coup has started. First of many steps. #rebellion. #impeachment will follow ultimately. #lawyers https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/826255624610729985 …

    The impeachment process, as Zaid said, is merely the implementation of the coup and that doesn't require mind reading. The nation laughs at these Democrats.
     
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    :bored:

    Awesome.

    And, here are the latest "Marching Orders". Right on cue. I'm impressed.:bored:

    Anyway, there was/is NO "COUP" (that is RW Tinfoil Hat Stuff).

    Carry on. :salute:
     
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    It's like saying the Rams had more passing yards than the Patriots so the Rams should've won the Super Bowl. Please stop.
     
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    They are all used to cross verify. There has been no silence. There is nothing impeachable in the transcript.
     
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    You have not even heard a statement from any other official charged with making the transcript, have you?
     

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