Abortionists killing babes after birth? Infanticide okay?

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  1. Daniel Light

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    You mock every religion but your own every time you claim that non-believers will go to hell ... or doesn't that register as a derogatory remark in your mind.
     
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    Every time you drive your car, you contribute to the pollution that kills 20,000 children with respiratory problems every year ... roses do not grow from your ass, either.
     
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    Having asthma myself, I know what it's like to face respiratory distress - this is why I live like a Buddhist monk with minimal possessions.
    I have been involved in fighting for the pro-life cause for about 3 months now. I have learned much from both sides in that time.

    I've even gone to the local planned parenthood to protest. What's amazing is when you convince someone to keep the child, there is no feeling quite like saving the life of an unborn baby.

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    let me educate you why Obama called it Isil., the acronym ISIL is the more-accurate name, as it recognizes these areas that the group affects and targets, while ISIS refers exclusively to Iraq and Syria. let’s see, his legacy might be small things like preventing a depression and stopping the loss of 700,000 being lost under Bush. Then the stock market nearly tripled. Oh, and those millions of people who can see doctors now. But you rather obsess over small things like bathrooms. It doesn’t bother women so why should it bother you? Men seem to have this obsession with women’s bathrooms.
     
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    ai agree ..we should get rid of public schools and cops and firefighters and parks and Infrastructure..too socialistic.
    Did you complain about bailing out wall st? That was socialism
    Did you complain about the trillion in oil and gas subsidies? That was so socialistic
    Did you complain about the billions in bailouts for farmers..socialistic. The trouble with extremists is that they only see in black-and-white and they don’t understand what socialism is. I have not seen anyone support taking away individual businesses
     
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    i did and she said, “stop being such a nag.Im too busy in the middle of something important...a football huddle”
     
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    It’s nice that you go to the Planned Parenthood to picket against women getting family planning and contraception . I hope you carried signs saying no more Pap smears no more mammogram referrals .thats mostly what they do...they help women! Yuck
     
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    PROVE IT.
     
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    :) And I'm sure you paid her doctor bills, and paid for the time she had to take off work to go to the doctor and paid for all her child's needs and paid her bills when she lost her job due to her pregnancy, etc, etc and of course you do this for EVERY woman considering abortion...

    LOL! I don't think so.....YOU give NO support whatsoever...…


    And that "live like a monk" sure explains that attitude you have about women... ;) ;) ;) LOLOL!!!!
     
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    OK, I'm sure you can quote me...right? Sure you can't, just stereotype.
    Care to place a friendly wager, like loser wears the avatar of winners choice, for one week? You sound so very certain and sure, ante up.
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    good for her, here is a song about her. I guess you think calling our Creator a "her" is supposed to trigger me? Guess again. You dont even believe so this is a failed attempt to troll me. I challenge you to watch this song, bet you wont. There will be a quiz after the song. You might actually like it, try and see. This song should piss you off, left or right, does not matter.



     
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  12. Iron_Merc

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    I want you to take a clue (or perhaps two) about Christianity as it relates the founding fathers and how Christianity formed the bedrock of our society.

    Plenty of moral laws on the books, so what I am suggesting (outlaw abortion) is not without precedent. For example, murder, theft, prostitution, and other behaviors labeled immoral are also illegal. Moral turpitude is a legal term used to describe a crime that demonstrates depravity in one's public and private life, contrary to what is accepted and customary. Not to mention, we have in God we Trust written on our money. Surely you see the need for law and order? Or perhaps you are an anarchist? I bet you'd fit right in with Noam Chomsky.

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    I think a non religious argument could be made for the pro life cause. Abortion can lead to depression and suicide, for example. Abortion can leave families shattered. Abortion can destroy a women. Abortion can turn your heart to stone. Abortion has devastating consequences on society and doesn't fix a damn thing. Planned Parenthood is the official breeder of whores. Sex without consequences right? Blame the unborn baby for mothers indiscretion. Totally unreal.

    And when was the last time this abhorrent behavior was carried out in the name of Christianity? Was that right after Obama took office? Or perhaps a little further back? five maybe ten years?
    And you need to read about theological dispensations. The law was fulfilled with Christ, we now live in the dispensation of grace and that means there is hope for each and every one of us. Redemption for humanity is the true masterpiece of Jesus life (and death). A reflection of love so strong, that God would die on the cross so that you can live.

    At the end of the day abortion is merely another form of rebellion against God.
    Remember, this life is a proving ground - and there is a judgement. And let me be clear: I am a sinner just like each and every one of you. I don't have "immunity" status nor do I put myself in a different category. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

    Inspired by God we get people like Mother Teresa.
    Inspired by Satan and we get people like Margaret Sanger.

    Yes, this quote is substantiated...

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    Just chew on that for a minute.
     
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    I already schooled you in how the founding fathers used certain of the teachings of Jesus - and you had no clue - so quit pretending otherwise.
    You did not know that the founders used the tenets of classical liberalism - and have no clue how this relates to Republicanism.

    Good grief.

    Chomsky is not an anarchist - not that you have ready anything by him .. you just complain because you have no refutation to his facts.

    Just because the religious right managed violate the founding principles - forcing religious beliefs on others through law - in outlawing prostitution, Pot, Alcohol and what ever else they can get away with - does not make it right - and it is certainly not within the teachings of Jesus.

    Again you show clearly that you don't understand the teachings of Jesus = CHINO.

    Of course non religious arguments can be made - none of them good but they can be made. Such arguments are often attempted by folks folks whose real justification is Religious - but they know these arguments don't cut it so in a desperate attempt to force their religious beliefs on others .. they try and find non religious arguments. Often it is the case that these arguments are moronic .. such as the claim "abortion prevents procreation".







    I don't recall Obama making any law on the basis of religion - you are talking gibberish again. You then talk about dispensations - as if stating the word "dispensation" has anything to do with the conversation. Post some of you think they are valid.

    Again you attempt to speak for God -- I will pray for your absolution from this unforgivable sin.

    Just chew on that for a minute. This is a bad habit of yours.
     
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    Until you figure out a way to remove capitalism from the equation Im not going to take you seriously. America is NOT a socialist nation.

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    HogWash BS, Sharia comes right from the Quran
    Sharia - Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Sharia

    Sharia (/ʃəˈriːə/, Arabic: شريعة‎ [ʃaˈriːʕa]), Islamic law or Sharia law is a religious law forming part of the Islamic tradition. It is derived from the religious precepts of Islam, particularly the Quran and the hadith.
    Ban on sharia law · ‎Topics in sharia law · ‎Application of Islamic law by ... · ‎Ijtihad
     
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    Congrats, Renee has now called you "Extremist" this means you are on the right path, as a GOD fearing American.
     
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    Where do you think Muhammad got his source material. You are living in serious denial - or have never read the OT - if you think that the vast majority of Sharia can not be found in the OT.
     
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    You made a false statement, just own it or prove it. Dont keep digging.
     
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    I made no false statement - and proved it in a previous post - you are the one that is grasping at straws - and now projecting your failings on to me.

    Stoning Adulterers - death penalty for Apostasy - death for gays - xenophobia - genocide - slaughter of children and babies. Old Testament 101.
     
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    And Abraham Lincoln just schooled you.

    Lincoln and his party were called radical and destructive, but he counted himself among the earliest defenders of conservative principles, which was in essence a defense of time-honored, traditional values. Lincoln said that out of the 39 framers of the Constitution, 23 of the 39 voted on whether to prevent the spread of slavery, and that 21 of the 23 voted in favor of doing so. Lincoln therefore said that it was the pro-slavery South that was radically breaking with the tradition begun by those that created the Constitution. As Lincoln said:

    But you say you are conservative - eminently conservative - while we are revolutionary, destructive, or something of the sort. What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried? We stick to, contend for, the identical old policy on the point in controversy which was adopted by "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live;" while you with one accord reject, and scout, and spit upon that old policy, and insist upon substituting something new. True, you disagree among yourselves as to what that substitute shall be. You are divided on new propositions and plans, but you are unanimous in rejecting and denouncing the old policy of the fathers. Some of you are for reviving the foreign slave trade; some for a Congressional Slave-Code for the Territories; some for Congress forbidding the Territories to prohibit Slavery within their limits; some for maintaining Slavery in the Territories through the judiciary; some for the "gur-reat pur-rinciple" that "if one man would enslave another, no third man should object," fantastically called "Popular Sovereignty;" but never a man among you is in favor of federal prohibition of slavery in federal territories, according to the practice of "our fathers who framed the Government under which we live." Not one of all your various plans can show a precedent or an advocate in the century within which our Government originated. Consider, then, whether your claim of conservatism for yourselves, and your charge or destructiveness against us, are based on the most clear and stable foundations.

    Again, you say we have made the slavery question more prominent than it formerly was. We deny it. We admit that it is more prominent, but we deny that we made it so. It was not we, but you, who discarded the old policy of the fathers. We resisted, and still resist, your innovation; and thence comes the greater prominence of the question. Would you have that question reduced to its former proportions? Go back to that old policy. What has been will be again, under the same conditions. If you would have the peace of the old times, readopt the precepts and policy of the old times.

    Classical liberalism is merely an ideology supporting the free market, low taxes, and basic freedoms (life, liberty, brotherhood). It says nothing about matters of war and peace and personal matters (e.g. Feminism, racism), and in fact John Locke, the father of liberalism, was a brutal slaveowner.

    A major difference to conservatism is religion. Classical liberals typically are atheists or nonreligious while conservatives are typically religious. Most of the founding fathers were Christian, of course, so the notion that they employed the tenants of classical liberalism as a foundation is laughable. You also have to remember the pilgrims who came to America to escape religious persecution. The left usually tries to bury the notion that we came to America to practice Christianity without persecution (because it doesn't fit their narrative) This is just another (failed) attempt to remove and erase the Christian heritage of our nation.

    Then when one tries to fit the views to the two party system there are problems. Conservatives first quite well to Republicans but there really is no party for classical liberals.

    According to Lincoln the founding father's were conservative. I think I will put my faith in his word over yours.

    Lets end this discussion with a few points to reflect on (you could obviously apply this to abortion)

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    Replace "slaves" with "unborn children"

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    Ever heard of the holiday known as Thanksgiving?

    Are you beginning to get my drift? Or do I still need to connect the dots for you?
     
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    I gave a link. Christians no longer abide by the OT. That ended with the cross. Islam is still primitive and backwards, tossing gays off rooftops and beheadings and Jihad. If you could "prove" your falsehoods, you would do so and have no need to attempt deflecting to try and make me the topic. But you cant, so you discuss me, personally. Weak and lame. Very weak and obvious

    Again....

    SHARIA LAW — LIST OF KEY RULES — What Is Sharia Law?

    https://www.billionbibles.org › sharia › sharia-law

    Islam's ShIaria law is cast from the words of Muhammad, called "hadith," his actions, called "sunnah," and the Quran, which he dictated. The Sharia law itself ...
     
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    Your claim that slaves (living humans) are the same as a single human cell (not a human) is false ... and nothing in your post even addresses this issue.

    Further - you do not understand Classical Liberalism - and how it relates to the founding principles - so quit pretending otherwise.

    All you do is avoid - with volumes of gibberish.

    Simple question - 1) are you in favor of totalitarianism or do you favor limits to Gov't power

    My guess is that you are in favor of limits to Gov't power ... Great - there may be hope for you yet.

    What then should the power of Gov't be limited to ? 1) in your opinion 2) as per the founding principles.
     
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    Render unto Caesar what is Caesars. And of course, you have no moral compass so it's not surprising you completely disregard moral law. Are you an anarchist?

    You are sounding a lot like a classical liberal yourself.

    Wrong again. In fact, Noam Chomsky is an anarchist:

    Best known for his revolutionary work in linguistics and cognitive science, Noam Chomsky is an avowed anarchist. Read more here:

    https://bigthink.com/politics-curre...-anarchist-beliefs?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1

    Liberal tip of the day:
    The Ten Commandments are often considered the basis for societies founded on Judeo-Christian principles. As many of these principles are still embedded in general society.
     
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    You have no clue what you are talking about - how many books of Chomsky have you read. ? ZERO

    Then - lacking anything coherent to say - you build a strawman by falsely accusing me of disregarding moral law when I have done no such thing.

    It is you who does not know meaning of the primary teachings of Jesus - and you avoid discussion of the subject at every turn.

    What Judeo -Christian principles are you referring to ? You use words of which you don't know the meaning aka - talking in gibberish.
     
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    You protect life from start to finish. You DO NOT ignore the consequences of sex to promote a wayward lifestyle. You DO NOT blame the child for the mother's mistake.

    No, it's definitely right on the money. The unborn will get their freedom sooner or later, no matter at what lengths the left will go to dehumanize them.

    Remember
    Jews in WW2 Germany: NOT a person
    Slaves owned by liberal democrats: Not a person
    Unborn children as viewed by liberal democrats: Not a person

    Okay, genius. I wasn't referring to present times of matured, peaceful Christianity. Im highlighting the great divide between current claims and past events. The left loves to claim Christianity is a violent religion, yet the violence ended centuries ago. I was merely highlighting the hypocrisy that typically surrounds the left wing relative to claims of a "violent" form of Christianity. New's flash: Christianity matured centuries ago, and Islam? Not so much. To compare my belief system to that of a terrorist is so twisted. You are definitely NOT a patriot.

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