9-11 Truthers & Holocaust Deniers

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  1. Margot2

    Margot2 Banned

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    I have read a lot of your stuff in the past.
     
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    Congratulations Margot but that doesn’t address anything I posted either. And this is one of many reasons why any discussion with you on just about any topic, especially 9/11 is an exercise in futility for me.
     
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    I know you understand German. In this video, at 1:25 Ursula says "Den Holocaust gab es nicht" which means "There was no Holocaust". The HC can't be denied more clearly.

    Holocaust deniers always lie through their teeth ... :(
     
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    The reality of the gas chambers, the mass-shootings, the mass-starvation, the mass-deportations to Poland, the ideology of genocide against the Jews has been confirmed by various Nazis.

    Kurt Gerstein

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerstein_Report

    Adolf Eichmann

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_Sassen#The_Eichmann_interviews

    Heinrich Himmler

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posen_speeches#On_the_Holocaust

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posen_speeches#On_the_"Jewish_question"



    how do Holocaust Deniers respond?

    "its all lies!!!!, lies lies lies!!!"

    LOL!!!!

    pretty funny. sad and pathetic.
     
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  5. JCS

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    Widipedia? Really? That's like referring to FOX News to get the truth about Trump.

    These famous Nazis 'confessed' under great duress & torture. This is well known. So it's up to you to decide whether their testimony can or can't be trusted...but it does make the testimony of dubious credibility. Still, their 'confession' is not supported by the facts.

    The real gas chambers were small, completely air-tight, all-metal cylindrical containment chambers with small latching doors. They were used to fumigate prisoners' clothing for lice & infectious microbes. In fact, lice is the very reason why the prisoners' heads were shaved when admitted to the camps. The gas chambers were also never built next to the hospital, as the gases were extremely deadly, and even needed some time to air out before they were re-opened. The alleged Holocaust 'gas chambers' were not air-tight, and were built next/close to the hospital. These were showers pure and simple...and is why the prisoners went in nude with their heads shaved. Would they go through all that effort just to gas the prisoners? The Germans, being coldly practical, didn't want a rampant epidemic of disease which is always a high risk in a confined, densely populated prison camp.

    No evidence of mass shootings at the camps, but there were definitely executions. The camps were labor camps, which was why they were built by factories, mines, and other industrial sites. Besides, why would the German prison staff shave everyone's heads and give them striped clothing to wear if they had planned to execute them all? Now I'm not condoning the conditions or the imprisonment of all those people...but these were not 'death camps'.

    Mass starvation did occur, but the prisoners were not intentionally starved by the Nazis. Near the end of the war the Germans were losing badly and could no longer supply the camps with ample food or medicine. The result was mass starvation and disease (particularly typhus). There's a reason why pictures/film footage of piles of bodies show bodies that look starved...and, which is also further evidence that they were not death camps. They lived long enough to starve or die of disease, and were not mass-executed. Another thing that has been reported by former prisoners are the prison gangs. Prison gangs were known to bully prisoners for goods/services and could even control who got food and who didn't.

    For further evidence, you might want to check out some old, but excellent, field investigations by David Cole, a Jew, who sought out the facts despite the indoctrination within his culture.
     
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    Oh look, a new sock
     
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    And your evidence for this claptrap is what then?

    A Wiki link beats pulling something out of your ass or from a StormFront site every day of the week.
     
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    LOL!!! too funny.

    Gerstein was under no duress.

    Eichmann was under no duress, wasn't even captured yet.

    Himmler was certainly under no duress, as this speech took place during the war.

    sorry bro, but you'll have to find some other silly excuse to disregard their comments attesting to the reality of the genocide of the Jews during WW2.
     
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    The OBL video 'confession' is a fake.
    https://911blimp.net/vid_fakeOsamaVideo.shtml

    And...

    "Bin Laden also suffered from kidney disease. According to a CBS news report on January 28, 2002, Osama bin Laden was hospitalized for dialysis treatment in the Pakistani military hospital in Rawalpindi on September 10, 2001, the day before 9/11." http://www.globalresearch.ca/where-was-osama-on-september-11-2001/3194

    Obviously, a man suffering from terminal lung and kidney disease did not survive for another decade to be murdered by a US Navy SEAL team in Abbottabad. A Pakistani TV interview with the neighbor of the alleged “bin Laden compound” exposed the assassination hoax. This sensational interview also went unreported by america’s “free press.” I had the interview translated, and it is available here:"
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/pakistan-tv-report-contradicts-us-claim-of-bin-laden-s-death/25915 See also http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13329078
    (From "The Osama bin Laden Myth" - https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/11/26/the-osama-bin-laden-myth-2/)

    And exactly how did you come up with this figure?
     
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    OBL didn't have kidney disease or marfan's syndrome.

    Paul Craig Roberts is an idiot... This is the only way he can make a living .
     
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    Snopes doesn't even give a yes or no on this...yet you know the truth of the matter? All we have is the word of the U.S. government...and we know our government can always be trusted.:alcoholic:

    And why would Pakistan's President, General Pervez Musharraf, lie about this? Of course it would be denied by U.S. intelligence officials in order to maintain the official story of OBL's assassination by the SEAL team.

    And, judging by the obviously fake OBL confession tape and the fake pic of OBL's body...well, do the math.

    And speaking of the SEAL team...

    "Shortly after the alleged assassination 30 members of the SEAL unit died in a mysterious helicopter crash in Afghanistan, and now we learn that not a single one of the thousands of sailors on the aircraft carrier, the USS Carl Vinson, witnessed bin Laden’s alleged burial at sea from that ship. The press reports with a straight face that for unexplained reasons it was kept secret from the ship’s sailors."

    "It seems clear that under intense pressure and serious threats from the US government, the Pakistani government fell in line with the US government’s claim that a commando raid had killed bin Laden and all had returned safely, and that the TV news organization also got the message to get in line.

    It is likely that the many witnesses who observed the dead from the helicopter crash have been warned to keep quiet."

    How do you know this? And, how would that affect the truth of the matter?
     
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    People who love rumor will always be taken in by convoluted conspiracy theories.

    Of course the fat guy in the confession video was a fake. Like I said before, your version requires a cast of thousands.
     
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    Excerpt from Zero Dark Thirty: A Nephrologist at the Movies - https://www.ajkd.org/article/S0272-6386(14)00002-X/fulltext

    "But the idea that bin Laden was being dialyzed in Tora Bora made little sense. Here was a man with great wealth and the devotion of a loyal, fanatical following. Purchasing a kidney for transplantation should have presented no obstacle. More likely, there would have been a line of potential donors happy to voluntarily yield 50% of their glomeruli to their leader. A living unrelated kidney donation must have occurred somewhere, sometime.

    "Assiduously scanning the internet for “kidney and Osama bin Laden,” I eventually found an explanation. Bin Laden's wives had been questioned in the months following his death, and now their answers could be revealed. Amazingly, his youngest wife claimed that he did not have kidney disease anymore. “She told them, they said, that Bin Laden had recovered from two kidney operations a decade or more ago in southern Afghanistan, in part by using homemade remedies, including watermelon.

    "A later story reported that bin Laden's youngest wife told a retired Pakistani Army brigadier that her husband had undergone a kidney transplant in 2002 and was in good health.9 But where in the remote regions between Afghanistan and Pakistan was such a procedure possible in the months following 9/11? I still wanted to know more."
    -----------------------------------------

    Now, if there is any truth to what Dr. Goldfarb has stated here, then it's very conceivable that OBL may have finally succumbed to his kidney problems. Life expectancy for dialysis patients is generally short (5 - 10 years)...but even if OBL did not require dialysis because he received a transplant, he would still need a new kidney within 10 - 12 years (that is, IF the kidney continues to function properly and rejection is kept under check).
     
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    So Dr. Goldgarb is speculating based on rumors. Typical of conspiracy theories.
     
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    It's not about 'loving rumors'. Some of us just want the truth. That's it...and when the official narrative doesn't jive with the facts, then naturally it throws suspicion on the narrative. And when there's a LONG history of this happening, then why would it be surprising that it's STILL going on? Have you read Major General Smedley Butler's 1935 book, War is a Racket? You should. What the U.S. has been doing even during Smedley's tenure as a Marine is exactly what it's doing to this day. Nothing's changed. We're still invading sovereign nations, stealing their resources, and committing genocide. In fact, this nation was established from day one upon a foundation of invasion, genoside, and enslavement. Is it such so shocking that our government lied about (and planned & carried out) 9/11 to get us into the Middle East...let alone lie about OBL's assassination?

    Glad you admit it.

    One would first have to know exactly how they did it. But no matter the number involved, it's a simple matter to bump off the potential whistleblowers after the operation is completed. If the mafia does it all the time, you can bet our intelligence agencies do it as well. Afterall, isn't our government really a well funded, better organized mafia run by old-money elitist families?
     
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    Why is it that the so-called 'skeptics' make this statement, yet they can never confirm any of the talking points presented as evidence in the official narrative?

    Rather than blindly accepting, as the saying goes, authority as truth, try accepting truth as authority.
     
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    None of those vague, second, and third hand "confessions" using altered recordings are credible.

    For example:

    EXCERPT "Gerstein's "eye-witness" account is only a mass of absurdities, contradictions, and errors of all kinds, unsupported by trustworthy confirmation, whose falsity even Poliakov implicitly recognized by manipulating the material so as to make it seem credible. It is well known that Gerstein must have been mentally unbalanced, in his attempts at reconciling his alleged faith in Christian principles with his equally strongly asserted devotion to the National Socialist cause." CONTINUED (1)


    On the other hand, the thousands of inmates interviewed by the Red Cross who were actually detainees in the camps make no mention of the bogus "homicidal gas/steam/electrocution chambers" until it became profitable to do so:

    EXCERPT "The Vatican and Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at the end of the War about alleged gas chambers. The response was always the same, "The detainees themselves have not spoken of them" (Red Cross document No. 9925, June 1946)." CONTINUED(2)


    Now, on a related thread(3), you either could not or would not answer 3 simple questions relating to fictitious homicidal gas chambers:

    My questions were:

    1. Where are homicidal gas chambers and the auxiliary rooms with extensive fans & ventilation systems that were needed to heat the Zyklon B to a gaseous state and then introduce the gas into the gas chamber and, later, exhaust the deadly gas from the room so that the bodies could be cleared?

    2. Do you believe that the morgue at Auschwitz that is falsely labeled as a "gas chamber" is genuine or simply a fake used to deceive gullible & poorly informed individuals?

    3. Why are there no reports of seeing cherry red skin by any of the survivors? (4), (5), (6)




    (1) "The Gerstein Report: Anatomy of a Fraud"
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p115_Hall.html



    (2) “The Problems of Mass Gassing”
    http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/05/was-there-really-a-judaic-holocaust/


    (3) "About the Holocaust"
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/about-the-holocaust.552312/page-21


    (4)"Johns Hopkins"
    http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/cyanide-fact-sheet
    Signs and Symptoms

    EXCERPT"Other: acute lung injury, nausea and vomiting, cherry-red skin color."CONTINUED


    (5) "Cyanide Toxicity"
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507796/

    EXCERPT "Patients with cyanide poisoning will not be cyanotic but will have a cherry red color due to excess oxygen in the bloodstream."CONTINUED


    (6) "Cyanide Poisoning Treatment, Symptoms & Effects - eMedicineHealth"
    https://www.emedicinehealth.com/cyanide_poisoning/article_em.htm

    1. EXCERPT "The skin of a cyanide-poisoned person can sometimes be unusually pink or cherry-red because oxygen will stay in the blood and not get into the cells."CONTINUED
     
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    When you find out what the truth is.. let us know. Convoluted possibilities involving thousands of co-conspirators are not even close to the truth.
     
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    LOL!!!!

    Even when the Nazis admitted to the genocide of the Jews, Holocaust deniers still reject the evidence.

    It's really sad and pathetic.

    Eichmann admitted to the genocide of the Jews.

    Himmler admitted to the genocide of the Jews.

    these are facts that Holocaust deniers cannot run away from no matter how hard they try.

    Case closed
     
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    Every word "JCS" wrote in his Post #255 is the heavily censored truth.

    Use some common sense.
    Germany was fighting several different countries at once and in virtually every battle, they were grossly outnumbered.

    The Germans didn't have the time, resources or manpower to round up, transport, feed, treat & house inmates only to execute them in the most expensive & time consuming manner, burn the bodies, pulverize the bones & teeth and then haul the remains(evidence) around the countryside to dump them in rivers & other obscure locations.

    Did you know, for example, that many high ranking Nazis were, themselves, Jews? (1)

    For verification of what JCS wrote, you can begin with:

    "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/



    (1) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of Jewish descent."CONTINUED


     
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    of course Holocaust deniers will simply continue to deny because that's what they do

    It's all they want to do
     
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    haha!!!

    why would I or anyone else even consider engaging you in debating the technicals of the genocide when YOU refuse to accept the testimony of EVERY single Sonderkommando simply because they were Jews?

    not gonna happen, bro. Not till you stop rejecting evidence from people for such absurd & illogical reasons.
     
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    And then there is this: https://www.legitgov.org/News-Bin-Ladens-Death-and-Funeral-December-2001

    Any thoughts?
     
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    The following post was made months ago in a thread about the Holocaust.
    It gives us a little insight into what actually motivates many folks who deny the Jewish genocide by the Nazis and their Fascist allies:

    "Thank you, Hoosier, I agree with you... if not 100% so at least to a large degree.
    Here is a decent and truthful link to back your statement:

    The Truth About Adolf Hitler
    They say "the winner's write history," and it is absolutely true; the most egregious example in modern times has to be the mainstream (mis)understanding of Adolf Hitler and pre-WWII Germany. Adolf Hitler was actually a vegetarian, animal-lover, an author, an artist, a political activist, economic reformer and nominated for a Nobel Peace prize. He enacted the world's first anti-animal cruelty, anti-pollution and anti-smoking laws. Unlike the demonic portrait that history has painted of him, Hitler was beloved by his people and he wanted nothing but peace.


    After WWI in 1919 the Internationalist League of Nations Treaty of Versailles enforced draconian reparation taxes on Germany so ridiculous that US President Woodrow Wilson said, "If I was a German I should think I would never sign it." British Prime Minister David Lloyd George said, "We have written a document that guarantees war in 20 years … When you place conditions on a people [Germany] that it cannot possibly keep, you force it to either breech the agreement or to war."

    The next year, in 1920 Jewish international bankers (many of them the same involved in creating the League of Nations and the Federal Reserve) began giving big interest-bearing loans to Germany. By 1923 Germany was already going bankrupt to the Jewish financiers and couldn't continue paying the 270 billion Reichmark war reparations. Unable to even buy back their own coal from the "allies," factories began closing and thousands of Germans became unemployed. In 1924 as revenge for Germany stopping payment to the Jewish international banksters, they devalued the Papermark so sharply that within months millions of German families couldn't afford food or rent. It took a wheelbarrow full of Papermarks to buy a loaf of bread; thousands of Germans died of starvation.

    Stalin and the Jewish Bolsheviks were building concentration camps during this time, using Poland and other neighboring countries as a satellite to attack and takeover German soil. This was the pretext for Hitler's rise to power. From 1933-1940 Hitler tried repeatedly to make peace with the Jews and "allied" forces even calling for complete disarmament on everyone's part. He was nominated for the Nobel peace prize in 1939, the very year he was attacked on his own soil after repeatedly pleading for peaceful solutions. In 1936 99% of German registered voters went out to vote and 98.8% voted for Hitler.

    The Jewish media has ever since painted an evil picture of Hitler and the Jew World Order has even enacted laws in 18 European countries prohibiting free-speech on the issues of Judaism and the Holocaust. Please read Why the Holocaust Denial? and watch the following videos to see how you have been lied to about one of the most significant men in modern history.
     
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    The case can never be closed for me. My family were victims of the Holocaust and that will never change.
     

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