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  1. Robert E Allen

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    We sure as hell threw that one away..
     
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    How so?
     
  3. Derideo_Te

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    More NONSENSE!

    The States RATIFIED the Constitution which INCLUDED the specific provisions that they MUST abide by such as not printing their own currency and not making treaties or waging war to name just a few.
     
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    Yep. As long as any one of the sovereign states wishes to remain in the union then it must abide by the terms of the treaty. Or they can leave.
     
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    Sorry, but incorporation is one of those things that has many people angry. You are in favor, and that's cool.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/incorporation_doctrine

    applicable to the states through the Due Process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Prior to the doctrine's (and the Fourteenth Amendment's) existence, the Bill of Rights applied only to the Federal Government and to federal court cases. States and state courts could choose to adopt similar laws, but were under no obligation to do so.

    After the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Supreme Court favored a process called “selective incorporation.” Under selective incorporation, the Supreme Court would incorporate certain parts of certain amendments, rather than incorporating an entire amendment at once.
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    The article contains and explains two Supreme Court decisions which explain the point i just made much better than I could, but since you now know more than the SCOTUS I guess whatever is a good reply.
     
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  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    The 14th Amendment was passed in 1868. It's no longer a matter of debate.
     
  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Could it be...https://www.pinterest.com/pin/340866265519095857/
     
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    Asset forfeiture is being violated and has been since Reagan.
     
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    The states all have laws that trample all over our rights and immunities
     
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    Actually yes. It’s why interracial and same sex marriage bans are nullified. The constitution was incorporated to the states by the 14th amendment.
     
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    They can’t leave unless congress approves.
     
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    Not really. The assets aren't being seized, they're being "arrested"
     
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    ARF. RAAA.
     
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    I accept your concession again. And you still don’t know what either of those mean.
     
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    Ummmm, the bolded???

    Also Article 1 Section 8 "To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution"

    Also, Amendment 10 "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
     
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    No, it doesn't.

    (RE: the bolded) But that example ITSELF is a religion, even by your own admission!! (See the underlined text)

    You're making my argument FOR me... You are refuting yourself!!

    Dictionaries are not an authoritative reference for any word meaning.

    False Authority Fallacy. Holy links are not an authority over anything.

    Yes, Congress can do whatever is necessary and proper to execute the powers which they have been enumerated with. Powers which they have not been enumerated with still remain with the States. See Article VII. See Amendment X.
     
  19. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Again, read the article I cited, it explains the SCOTUS decisions much better than I can.

    The upshot being that the Congress can legislate nearly anything that doesn't violate other parts of the Constitution. The enumerated powers are pretty much a minimum not a maximum, though conservatives often see that very differently.
     
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    Good for you!!!! I don't debate such articles either, unless I choose to make an example out of it... People who can only link to articles as their "argumentation" are quite obviously incapable of forming arguments of their own... Argumentation via "holy link" is, simply put, intellectual laziness. It is also a logical fallacy, known as the Appeal to False Authority Fallacy.
     
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    I'm refuting both of us. I'm saying the whole argument is absurd. Freedom from IS freedom of and vice versa, WWII Marines notwithstanding you can't have one without the other.

    So what reference, besides the Oxford English Dictionary, are you using to define marriage? Because the definition as being between a man and a woman and nothing else is the primary part of your contention
     
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    ARF. RAAA.
     
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    I accept your concession again. And you still don’t know what either of those mean.
     
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    I see no reason to read it. It is a false authority. The authority which is relevant here is the US Constitution itself.

    SCOTUS is not an oligarchy. They are not above the US Constitution. See Article III.

    Nope. They can only legislate regarding their enumerated powers.

    Nope, they are a maximum. That's all the power that Congress has been given...
     

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