Why America Is Becoming More Divided

Have you published the findings from your research or are you just coming to the Political Forum to post them?

 

I wish I could agree about keeping things civil, but politics is one of those subjects that is inherently uncivil. If we talk about taxation, we are talking about sending the cops out to take money honestly earned at risk of being put in prison if it's not forthcoming. War is politics, and war means children die horrible deaths, yet we talk of war all the time as if it is a civil subject of discussion.

I've been told to think before posting, and I honestly try, but the enola gay's bombadier was a man named major Ferebee who thought things through very carefully before little boy was dropped on Hiroshima, resulting in the deaths of about 140,000 civilians.

Politics is a rough and tumble subject full of passion, as well it should be. Yet, here we are in a thread that is about people who refuse to talk about politics, and the ramifications involved with not talking.

 

Government (the collective) exists to legislate and administer law.
In a democracy, we agree to abide by rule of law, being preferable to anarchy.

One thing is certain: if poverty and inequality become too egregious, then we end up with Chile....

And some figures re the US in this regard:

"It's hard to imagine the United States being so high on this list, but truthfully, the US hasn't seen such large income disparity since 1928. And if you thought some of the other countries had it bad in regards to numbers, these numbers will no doubt serve to shock: From 2009 to 2012, the top 1% in the U.S. claimed 95% of gains from the economic recovery. And the rest of country, the other 99%? They only saw income growth of 0.4% while their richer counterparts saw their incomes rise by over 30%. While the economy is superficially showing recovery from the Global Financial Crisis, the reality is that the lower classes are not recovering nearly as fast as that top 1%".

 

I agree, but a constitutional republic differs because the constitution as well as the republic exist to insulate the individual from government. The constitution describes the power that a government is given, and the republic provides a buffer between the collective and the individual because of the assumption that the individual understands the inherent threat of a pure democracy.

Is it preferable to anarchy? I'm having my doubts.

 

Main reason; Partisan politics!

Partisan politics is polarizing the country, and makes most average Joe’s/Jane’s irrational.

IMO, PP is the most common mental illness in America.

 

Passion is typically welcome; I have upmost respect for a handful of very conservative and very liberal posters here as they actively have discussions... but personal insults, trolling, and outright lies seem to be winning the day and, from my experience, much of that seems to be coming from individuals that identify as belonging to one specific political ideology.

Without civility and compassion all we have left is war.

 

I agree completely, but the OP's video of leftists who simply refuse to even walk a few yards to talk with their opposition is what I feel about people on the other side. I've tried, and have gotten absolutely nowhere. Now I've simply had it, as have my counterparts on the other side of the aisle to the point that they tried impeaching a duly elected President for no discernible reason.

I think we've gone beyond logical discussion to the need for war because we simply can't live with each other. We've heard each other's ideas, and both sides have found the other seriously wanting. Time to break out the armory because there is nothing left to discuss.

I wish it were otherwise, but that video mirrors how I and many others feel about the other side. I really don't have the patience to talk with one more lefty. That worries me considerably because many on the other side are my brothers and sisters, but they were the first to tell me to go to hell. I really did try to explain myself, and that resulted in figuring out how to keep good ol' Belchy away from future family gatherings because I am racist, homophobic, sexist, and generally just one of the stupidest people to ever walk the earth. My idea is just to leave me alone, and you guys have fun. They couldn't see how people can just bow out of their ideas and let me alone. Well, now a lot of us who really do want to be left alone are backed into a corner of either submitting or going to war.

We can get along, but violence is not the answer, and that includes violence from the state. I tried...

 

You don’t know me. I’ve worked as a volunteer doing many things ... 1) working as a youth soccer & baseball coach, 2) painting homes for poor and elderly people in Dallas, 3) managing bike safety programs for kids, etc. Now I’m 57 and finally an empty nester. I’m currently looking for an opportunity to volunteer.

The Democratic Party is the “everyone gets a trophy” party. It’s also the party that supports 50% of Americans not paying federal taxes. It’s goal is to have everyone finish the same, regardless of talent and hard work.

 

To my knowledge, we have the lowest effective tax rates in the word, thus, there is no rational reason why we keep borrowing to fund numerous goodies.

 

One needs only look at the OPs tag line to see where the division he decries comes from

 

So on one side we have people proudly promoting violence.

One side

Tell me which side is the reasonable one please

 

the one demanding no violence, and that includes violence from the state.

Are you up for that?

 

And here you are "demanding violence"

Are you on both sides at once? Because clearly you think the "violent side" which is yours...is the unreasonable one

 

Stop the violence and I'll stop the violence.

Are you up for that?

 

That is not the plan. I am rather surprised that a person of your intellect doesn't realize that. The left is intelligent enough to realize that as young white liberals enter the middle class, they become more conservative. To completely eradicate this option, the left is importing millions of "diverse" people from 3rd world countries who do not become more conservative because they do not enter the middle class as they get older. A dependent demographic that is much more reliant on the state ensures their political power.

Where this will come very obvious is in Europe. As Muslims gain more political power, you are going to see oppression of gays that will be shocking to Western sensibilities. In their attempts to destroy Christian norms in Europe, the left in collusion with globalist elites, are importing the only ideology on earth with the power to utterly destroy them.

In the UK, attacks on gays have nearly doubled in four years. These attacks are not coming from white Christians, they are coming from brown Muslims. These attacks are not going to decrease, they are going to increase as the demographic change accelerates. Gays in Europe will be back in the closet in a decade or two and this time it will be forever. There is no coming back from this. Demographics are destiny.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...rbal-homophobic-abuse-community-a7933126.html

It is always shocking to me to engage with people like yourself with no sense of self-preservation. While you prattle on about a gay couple getting a cake, you seem oblivious to the effects of demographic replacement on Western norms and what that means for the gay community. When you do wake up, it will be far too late to do anything about it, political power will reside with a population that hates gays and are far more conservative than even the alt right.... a population with the courage of their convictions and the will to act on them.

 

I see the Russian troll in the OP is in full swing, again.

 

Both sides are this way, I saw it trying to talk to Obama supporters and I see it talking to trump supporters.

There are numerous reasons

We literally have a president that gets cheers from “triggering” the left. When you have a party that has moved from policy to just vitriol, what basically amounts to trolling, you shouldn’t expect when people get upset and shut down even considering the opinion of people that support him.

You may not be any of the things that you are called but people like to throw others into boxes so they can attack their character for things said by others.

Serious question, how do you feel you are not being left alone?
How are these people in question not leaving you alone?
Are they making laws to allow discrimination against you or trying to take your rights away?

 

They advocate laws that take away my money and choices. When they talk about higher taxation, that's just another way of saying they'll send the cops over to take it, and those cops are armed. If I don't agree, then I end up in a cell with Wesley Snipes.

If I want private healthcare insurance, they say I can't have that. I have to go with their plan, and that's just the way things are going to be if they get their way.

 

This trend has all but stopped according to numerous analysis into political ideology by generation.

One of the main reasons I do not identify as liberal, illegal and unchecked immigration will eventually destroy this nation if people like trump hasn’t ripped it to shreds by then. Most democrats do not support illegal immigration but the right is alienating more and more of the general population.

Please don’t act like the right cares about gay people, they are pushing laws to allow medical professionals the ability to deny healthcare.

I could care less about a cake, I care about equality — if group A can deny unnecessary services to group B then group B should be able to deny them to group A. The government should not be allowed to discriminate or endorse discrimination against an irrelevant metric.

Of should I just shut up because I am not being thrown off a roof?


Give me a Republican leader with integrity that represents the nation, is not trying to actively pit one side against the other, that does not ignore science, is strong on illegal immigration and serious about lowering our deficit, and doesn’t think social issues are the duty of the government and I will vote for them. trump... is not that leader

 

Snipes got three years for not filing tax returns and that was during Bush.
So you are admitting you don't file tax returns also?

 

Taxes are unfortunately a part of living in a functioning society. You will not always agree with every use but a nation cannot exist without them.
We currently have the largest deficit the nation has ever seen outside of a recession and while you are not paying for it now the bill will eventually come, what have Republicans done to fix that?

On the healthcare front I partially agree, eliminating the private markets is a terrible idea but we have got to do something. We drop every year in affordability, levels of care, and quality of care while increasing in infant mortality, medical malpractice and negligence vs other nations.

I was really hoping that republicans would take the reigns when they were given the ability but instead they have us the most number of shutdowns ever seen by a single administration and only sought to dismantle the ACA without a program to replace it.

 

got it! Thanks for the wisdom.

 

Tell me about it. I'm somewhere between The Greatest Generation and The Silent Generation. I voted Republican in every election (even after Nixon) right up to Bill Clinton. The current mob of Limbaugh/FOX slaves are the main reason I don't go there anymore. They have destroyed the GOP by making a party of something I no longer recognize.

Trump is the culmination of all things corrupt and bad, not about what once was the GOP. There is no more GOP. It is the Party Of Trump. The only rational for the shift from GOP to POT is that its elected representatives are as corrupt as their leader. Does anyone with some miles under their belt really think a Nunes or Jordan would survive in a Reagan era Republican Party? Not hardly. The POT has no idea of what it means to be a Republican, much less a conservative.

 

It is the difference between the way liberals think and others. As a liberal, when faced with a topic of discussion I look in to it, look up the data, rather than spew an unsubstantiated emotional outburst as many conservatives do.

 

I don't need a random video of some person to know what you shovel.