To impeach or not to impeach, that is the question

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Laws change. And existing laws are not always prudent or wise. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with the law.
     
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    Trump ruins everything he touches. I am as incapable of understanding why Trump supporters are so loyal to him as you are. Honestly, it makes NO SENSE.
     
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    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As long as it's obeyed until changed. And, I doubt this one is going to be changed anytime soon.
     
  4. Dayton3

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    Mainly due to the "quality" and "character" of his opponents.
     
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    Give examples.
     
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    You know you cannot demonstrate this to be true.
    You know you cannot demonstrate this to be true.

    Trump will remain your President until at least January of 2021 and there's noting you can do about it.
     
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    Trump swore an oath to "protect, preserve & defend" the Constitution of the U.S. Trump has failed to keep that oath. The professionals who testified in the Impeachment hearings took the same oath. But they have dedicated their entire lives to serving this country, & they were concerned about damage to the Constitution by a President who has apparently never cared enough to even read it. Many Americans will see this impeachment process as a test whether you care about the Constitution & the rights it provides each of us, or your concerns are limited to the welfare of one individual man who failed to live up to his oath of office--repeatedly.
     
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    None of this does anything to prove any of the claims made.
    But, you know this.

    Trump will remain your President until at least January of 2021 and there's noting you can do about it.
     
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    Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris, Michael Bloomberg, Pete Buttigieg, for starters.
     
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    You're not the only one.

    It's a point that I find hilarious! It's much easier for someone on the right to understand why someone on the left would want to vote for Hillary (in 2016) and any generic democrat for 2020 than it is for someone on the left to understand the inverse. That's why you guys continuously make wrong predictions and then just can't absorb reality like a Trump win. Your personal and media bubble is one side, and you really can't conceive of someone having a contrary opinion, or different life experiences than yours.

    I thought you guys would have figured it out by now but no such luck.
     
  11. Sandy Shanks

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    It is a violation of federal law for the President -- or anyone else running for office -- to ask for assistance from a foreign government.
     
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    Requesting help in a campaign from a foreign government, requesting a foreign power to investigate a political rival, has not been done in the past.
     
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    This from a Trump fan who completely ignores Trump, what Trump does, what Trump says. Most of Trump's supporters are that way. They prefer talking about Hillary or Bill or Barack or Democrats in general. They like to blame Adam Schiff because Trump, in his July 25 phone call, asked a foreign power to investigate his political rival, and, according to his chief of staff, held up military aid as a motivation tool.

    But Mike won't talk about that.

    It is hard to respect someone who is unable to justify his own political convictions. For those having that problem, perhaps it is time to reexamine those convictions.
     
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    Interesting challenge!

    If you've been so right, why have you been so wrong, consistently, for the past three years? At some point does it occur to you that your ideology isn't lining up with reality? You fell for (and still believe) a ridiculous conspiracy theory that Trump is an agent of Moscow and had a deal with Putin to throw the US election.

    Could you please address why your crazy ideas don't line up with reality?
     
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    An interesting analysis here by Chris Cillizza.

    A new CNN poll shows that half the country believes that President Donald Trump should be not only impeached by the House, but also removed from office by the Senate.

    That result is being spun in some corners of the internet as great news for Trump, because that 50% number is unchanged from a CNN poll in mid-October, the conclusion being that the last 10 days of public impeachment hearings have not convinced more of the public that the President needs to go.

    Except that we are missing the forest for the trees here: A majority of the country believes the current President of the United States should be impeached and removed from office!

    A quick check of history shows how strange that is.

    The peak of support for the impeachment and removal of then-President Bill Clinton in 1998 was 29% in CNN polling. That's the highest that number ever went, despite the fact that the House Republican majority did vote to impeach late that year!

    Ditto impeachment sentiment for the two presidents between Clinton and Trump. In a 2006 CNN poll, 30% of the public wanted George W. Bush impeached and removed from office; in 2014, 33% said the same of Barack Obama. (Unlike Trump and Clinton, neither Bush nor Obama ever faced any sort of formal impeachment investigation or vote.)

    What those historical numbers tell us is that for at least the last two decades, there is roughly 30% of the country that is ready to impeach a president (usually of the party to which they do not belong) at all times.

    What makes the Trump number so remarkable, then, is that 20% more of the public is now convinced not only that he should be impeached but that he should be removed from office -- despite the fact that, unlike Clinton, Bush and Obama when those CNN polls were taken, Trump will face voters in a bid for a second term in less than a year's time.


    https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/26/politics/trump-cnn-impeachment-poll/index.html
     
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    Wow, you couldn't change that subject fast enough! LOL!
     
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    Lindsay Graham has been possessed by alien demons. When he was John McCain's buddy at least he made some sense and I appreciated his perspective but now he has gone full bat **** wacko. Sad to see.
     
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    You know ts is not true.
     
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    Why do you believe someone running against an incumbent White House is immune to federal investigation of the actions he took while a federal official?
     
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    As you have been told for over 2 years:
    Trump will remain your President until at least January of 20201, and there's nothing you can do about it.
     
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    Not if there's reason to legitimately believe that the political rival was involved in illegal or otherwise nefarious activities, as is most definitely the case with Biden...
     
  23. Sandy Shanks

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    Trump continues with his comedy routine.

    Bloomberg reports, "Donald Trump denied directing Rudy Giuliani to go to Ukraine to look for dirt on his political rivals, in an interview with former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly."

    “No, I didn’t direct him, but he is a warrior, he is a warrior,” Trump told O’Reilly.

    "Asked by O’Reilly what Giuliani was doing in Ukraine, Trump said “you have to ask that to Rudy.'"

    “Rudy has other clients, other than me,” Trump added. “He’s done a lot of work in Ukraine over the years.”
     
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    Only an incompetent President would ask a foreign government to investigate an American who just happens to be his main political rival.

    What illegal activities? Trump and his supporters have never said what the Bidens did wrong.

    "IF there's reason to legitimately believe." What did the Bidens do wrong?
     
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    This is from the transcript of the July 25 phone call between Trump and Zelensky. It was provided by the White House. The following is a quote from Trump.

    Good because I· heard you had a prosecutor who· was very·good and he was shut down and that's really unfair._·A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor bf New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General.· :Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States,· the woman., was bad news and the people she was dealing with in.the Ukraine.were bad news so I jtist want to_let you know that. The other thing, there's a lot of.talk about Biden's son,. that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you ·can look into it ... It sounds horrible to me.

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    Rudy Giuliani @RudyGiuliani


    The investigation I conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian collusion and corruption, was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges, that kept changing as one after another were disproven.

    12:43 PM - Nov 6, 2019


     
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