Should the US Surrender to Putin Again in 2020?

Once Obama told Putin he would be flexible after the election he allowed Putin to invade and take parts of Ukraine. He also refused to give Ukraine weapons, instead he gave them blankets because he didn't want to upset Putin. Next he cancelled missile defense systems with Poland and other nations for the same reason. Like Bugs Bunny telling Yosemite Sam cross this line, and this one, and this one, when Assad crossed Obama's red line, he passively did nothing. Putin also invested in Clinton to the tune of $145 M and directly to Billy boy $1/2 M for a short speech. Why would he want to throw all that money away? On the other hand Trump has signed off on the toughest sanctions against Russia. He gave Ukraine anti-tank missiles. He has pressured European countries to spend more on defense and stop buying energy from Russia. He bombed Syria. He gave Poland missile defenses. I mean, the Left live in Bizarro world, just take the opposite of whatever they say as the truth.

 

an indicted leader is pro trump...go figure

 

Even if all that bullshit were true, remind me again who was in charge of protecting our 2016 elections?? Oh yeah, that would be your messiah Obongo.......that must have been the flexibility he messaged Vladimir about.

 

above could have been a Hannity speech

we did not arm Ukraine until they were trained and could safely operate the weapons

and even then we gave them more than blankets

the very people that testified trump was breaking the law are the people that armed Ukraine ….these are the patriots, you know the people trump calls "human scum'

and did trump do the things you mentioned?? no , trump withheld the aid that the USA had earmarked

he fired the ambassador that was for arming Ukraine ...she was in the way of his extortion scheme

then trump calls the very people that were pro Ukraine "human scum"

and trump and Syria?? have you read a newspaper ??

even the diksuxker lindsey graham said trump screwed up on Syria

the bizaro world is when the trump says Russia and Putin are more credible than the USA

trump could shoot someone walking down 5th avenue

and the brainwashed would still support him

 

Always remember there is an error rate in everything. To keep your sanity it’s best to acknowledge it and move on.

It’s one thing to read these crap replies on the board but quite another to hear the crap regurgitated by our representatives like, Senator Kennedy or Graham. There is no excuse and can only be explained as bad faith: they’re too educated, too informed.

Our rep’s have easily accessible email addresses. Use them. It does matter and helps with maintaining your sanity these days.

Just a note, the R-brain responds to outrage, the D-brain to shame. Frame emails accordingly. Oh! For R’s it’s not your outrage—massage your perspective.

 

There is evidence that both Russia and the Ukraine were actively trying to get Hillary Clinton elected and expected that out come.

Putin was getting away with all kinds of corrupt dealings while Obama chose to look the other way or even get in on the cut.

As Fiona Hill testified, Ukraine simply bet on the wrong horse in the 2016 race. And Putin had already obtained his pipeline equipment from Koch-Glitsch Italia about a year before Trump was sworn in.

 

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke
You are wrong, Obama did nothing but he wasn't a good man from the very start anyway.

 

In what way is the US surrendering to further attacks?

 

The Trump regime's FBI, NSA, CIA, Republican-controlled Senate Special Committee on Intelligence, and Trump Justice Department Special Counsel have uncovered no evidence of your hyper-partisan propaganda. Just as all the Trump intelligence and law enforcement resources (and those of Ukraine and those of China that Trump appealed to help him smear his political opponent) have contrived anything prosecutable.

Contriving accusations, however desperate, against prior administrations fails to divert attention from the currently unfolding scandal. It's a tired ploy that is puerile and futile.

"Oh, yeah!
Well, what about Obama?"
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When the Trump regime finds credible evidence to file such charges, that's when they can be taken seriously, without regard to the current matter.

If you need to cherry pick one witness's testimony to find a statement that was not incriminatory, your implicit recognition of the dedicated public servant's competence and credibility applies to the sum total of her deposition.

 

Fox News, July 3, 2018: Russia meddled in the 2016 presidential election to help Donald Trump win were "accurate and on point," according to an unclassified report and accompanying statement by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence released Tuesday.​

Even hyper-partisan fanaticism that compels an irrational refusal to accept the consensus of the Trump regime's intelligence services and the Republican-controlled Senate Special Committee on Intelligence, and frenetic finger-pointing elsewhere, does not negate wherein responsibility now lies, and current reality.

 

Where is the validation by the Trump regime's intelligence services of that fake claim?

 

The Ukraine did it too conspiracy the POT is trying to sell is pure BS. It was Russia. Every qualified source (seventeen American intelligence agencies, the Muller Report, etc.) has said, it was Russia. The only clowns that spin this any other way are Putin, his cronies, and the POT. Fiona Hill testified that spinning this any other way is a dangerous act by a desperate minority.

 

... the suggestion that Ukraine meddled in the U.S. election is a “fictional narrative” meant to advance Russian interests.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article237753224.html

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The soviets are already doing what they did again, in fact never stopped. As our government does nothing tangible about it the only tactic left is an overwhelming Dem vote.

 

You trust Russian fabrications over our own intelligence agencies. Interesting.

You should go to RT's website for your next talking points, "patriot".

 

You damn right. I do trust RT over Hillary's deep state FAKE NEWS Media brigade as well as Obama's deep state 'intelligence agencies'. John Brennan, a self described Communist, was head of your super duper intelligence agencies. When you have 17 'intelligence' agencies sharing info from one main talking head, that says a lot about how intelligent they are.

I am sick and *******n tired of stupid ass people pointing the finger at Russia when in fact the problem is in Washington DC. Russia hasn't done jack ****. If $4,500 worth of ads on facebook can rig an election, then Hillary was too damn stupid spending a billion elsewhere.

I was skeptical of Trump but damn I'm glad he won now. The left's dumbassery has been on full display since November 8, 2016. Democrats aren't worthy of being elected dog catcher.

 

And you sound like CNN. In other words Pravda propagandist.

 

Probably not. So what do we do? Wring our hands? All is lost?

Hell no! The greatest defense against Russian influence is to take the time to be informed so you know what you're doing in the voting booth.

The Russians had zero influence on my vote last time, and it will be zero again next time.

 

Recent events have caused many to wonder. What is going on with Trump? Is it possible he is acting like a Russian puppet? Is he doing what Putin wants him to do?

Perhaps it is time to look at the facts.

We know Putin interfered in our 2016 Presidential election because he wanted Trump to become our next President.

We know that Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, had Russian connections, and he is now serving a long prison sentence. Trump's deputy campaign manager, Rick Gates, also had Russian connections, and he is facing jail time.

Mike Flynn, Trump's NSA for a month, spoke illegally to the Russian ambassador and is facing jail time.

Trump's attorney general, Jeff Sessions, had contacts with the Russian ambassador during the election campaign, once in his office, and he had to recuse himself from the Russian investigation that was taking place from his office.

Trump's son, Trump's son-in-law, and Trump's campaign manager met with four Russian operatives at Trump's home, Trump Tower, in June 2016, for information on Trump's opponent, Hillary Clinton.

More recently, Trump tried that again. He attempted to extort the Ukrainian president to get him to dig up dirt on another political opponent, Joe Biden. This caused an impeachment inquiry.

The mission of any righteous Russian puppet would be to create chaos at the highest level of the federal government. Recently, the Trump White House sent a letter to the House of Representatives telling the leadership they must have a full House vote on the impeachment of the President.

You can't get any more chaotic than that.

Two Soviet-born, naturalized American citizens, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, who had been helping Trump's lawyer investigate Joe Biden in Ukraine, were arrested by the FBI Wednesday evening at Dulles International Airport. They had one-way tickets on a flight out of the country.

They were arrested shortly after having dinner with Rudy Giuliani, Trump's personal lawyer.

Trump continued with his chaotic regime. Many will die as a direct result of his decision to order a retreat of American troops from northern Syria, giving Turkey a green light to annihilate the Kurds whom they regard as terrorists. His decision caused a national security threat for our country, and poses serious problems for the Western democracies, not to mention the betrayal of a valuable American ally that had destroyed the ISIS caliphate.

The Pentagon, members of Congress including the vast majority of Trump's party, and the American people are aghast at the dishonorable, incredulous decision Trump made. However, apparently the decision suited his purposes. His reaction to the Turkish invasion is less than anemic. It almost seems as if Trump is making the aftermath a comedy routine.

Trump's surrender to Turkish intents does not serve America's interests. Indeed, his decision has endangered our national interests, and there is only one conclusion a person can make. As long as Trump is President, America cannot be trusted.

On the other hand, other nations do benefit from Trump's decision. They include Turkey, of course; Syria and its murderous dictator, Bashar al-Assad; Syria's ally, Iran.

And Russia!

 

So they want peace?

 

That is hardly the point. The issue is not what you are doing. The issue is, what is our President doing?

 

If President Obama couldn’t stop the meddling, which current Democratic candidates do you believe can?

 

Everyone of the Russian subpoenas carried with it a codicil that they could find no evidence that Russia had any impact on the election or was knowingly assisted by any American.

 

Precisely what do you wish him to do start WWIII?

 

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is to keep voting Democrat.