About the Holocaust

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    This gas chamber was enough to kill a relatively small number of people without time pressure. The gassing of people with Zyklon B was a new method of mass murder, and the killers were constantly improving their methods.
     
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    Not only Ms. Ursula, but there are some other dumb guys out there that were imprisoned for denial of Nazi crimes.

    https://wir-sind-monika.com/

    Alfred and Monika Schaefer from Canada came to Germany and were immediately arrested. How can someone be so stupid as to openly deny the Holocaust and then travel to a country where that is forbidden?

    Neo-Nazis and anti-Semites are evidently anything but smart. :D
     
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    Re:
    We already know that the victorious Allies practiced the most brutal forms of widespread torture, mutilation, murder and brainwashing as well as running Eisenhower's true "Death Camps".

    If I understand correctly, all Germans including children were the victims of Allied brainwashing, aka "denazification", so children like Rainer Hoess would have been of special interest to the victorious Allies and subject to even stronger forms of brainwashing. I feel sorry for him but regard his pained theatrics as little more than the antics of a trained circus animal eager to earn his treat in the form of fame, cash and a pat on the head from his trainers.

    In other words, I'm afraid that poor Rainer Hoess has become a professionally brainwashed pawn of the fraudulent, multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry; the same fraudulent, multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry that would cheat deserving survivors(1) is certainly willing to deceive others to better "market" its "product".

    Please remember that the same Holocaust Industry that is exploiting poor brainwashed Rainer Hoess are the same people who tried to deceive the world with fake "human soap", fake "human skin lampshades", phony shrunken heads, a "Conveyor Belt of Death"(2), newly invented "human vaporizers"(3) and countless other grisly lies.

    Why a few people around the world(4) believe virtually anything told to them by proven liars is beyond my comprehension. The fact remains that the vast majority of the world does not believe the grisly fables and inflated numbers trumpeted by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry.



    (1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED


    (2) "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
    https://disjecta.wordpress.com/2018/01/26/auschwitz-electrical-conveyor-belt-of-death/

    EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED


    (3) "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED


    (4) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

    This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    The Germans and many countries around the world already had plenty of experience with Zyklon B for delousing clothes, blankets, mattresses etc and already knew its properties. Delousing gas chambers were found with air tight doors, vent fans etc.
    In other words, the Germans did not need to experiment with an invention they had already perfected for delousing.

    Even though mainstream historian, Pressac, claims that 10,000 people were gassed in that room, the morgue that is misrepresented as a "homicidal gas chamber" for gullible tourists could never have been used as a genuine homicidal gas chamber because of its location next to the Gestapo office and across from a hospital in which inmates were treated.

    The Holocaust Industry has already lied about fake "human soap", fake "human skin lampshades", phony shrunken heads, a "Conveyor Belt of Death", newly invented "human vaporizers" and countless other lies so why believe this additional lie that the morgue at Auschwitz 1 was ever a homicidal gas chamber?
     
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    Cremation of typhus infected bodies or all bodies at Auschwitz was done to help save lives by preventing the spread of disease because the water table is so high.
    People living in the surrounding area of Auschwitz also brought bodies to Auschwitz to be cremated for the same reason so a photo of remains proves nothing.

    "In order to put a stop to the epidemics, we were forced to burn the bodies of incalculable numbers of people who had been destroyed by disease. We were therefore forced to build crematoria, and on this account they are knotting a noose for us."
    Heinrich Himmler
    21 April 1945

    Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution, 2nd ed., Vallentine, Mitchell, London, 1968, p. 521. AlsoMoment (Jewish monthly published in Boston), vol. 11, no. 1, Dec. 1985, p. 51.




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    That's right, but the mass murder of people is a completely different topic. Would you have guessed right away how much Zyklon B is needed to quickly kill x people?

    At the beginning of the Auschwitz death camp, the Nazis had little experience of killing people with carbon monoxide (Aktion T4), but none with Zyklon B (HCN). Killing with CO takes a long time and the gas was difficult to obtain.

    Auschwitz was a death factory and had to work cost-effectively and efficiently. Rudolf Hoess as CEO of the Auschwitz killing company had to ensure that.

    Some of this came from the imagination of overzealous journalists, others are pure inventions of Holocaust deniers. You attach too much importance to these things.
     
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    Yes, wouldn't I know that!!
    Exactly, he turned out to be a liar and deceiver for personal fame and gain!!
    I've spent all afternoon reading about him and it has shown me how gullible I am!!!!
    Except in this case it is the other way around - Hoess tried to exploit the Holocaust system. Such a brazen character he is!
    http://www.sunday-news.de/uncategorized/the-slippery-slope-of-a-grandson/

    But then... whom am I to believe?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rainer-hoess-auschwitz-holocaust-1.5348444
     
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    Thanks for your response.

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    No, I wouldn't know exactly how much Zyklon B is needed to kill x people but I certainly wouldn't try to experiment 400 times in a room that is entirely unsuitable for the safe containment and exhaust of deadly cyanide gas.

    The point I am trying to make is that the morgue / "gas chamber" at Auschwitz 1 could never have been used as a homicidal gas chamber without catastrophic results because of the lack of air tight doors, vent fans, flue and primarily, its location across from a hospital and next to the Gestapo office.
    Meanwhile, countless gullible tourists have been and continue to be deliberately and systematically deceived on an industrial scale.
    Since the multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry via Western MSM has deliberately told so many lies and continues to do so, why believe anything they say without thinking for yourself?

    For the reasons I have already listed, the morgue / "gas chamber" at Auschwitz 1 could never have been used to gas even one group of people without disastrous results.

    It would have taken about 400 gassings with disastrous results each time to gas 10,000 people in the Auschwitz 1 morgue / "gas chamber". Do you still believe that 10,000 could have been gassed in that room?


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    The Holocaust Industry's "evidence" of Nazi crimes that I listed were fake "human soap", fake "human skin lampshades", phony shrunken heads, a "Conveyor Belt of Death", newly invented "human vaporizers". I'm old enough to remember when those things were considered actual proof of Nazi criminality.

    At the time, this "evidence" was considered important enough to convict thousands of innocent people and it is irrefutable proof that the Holocaust Industry & Western MSM are not reliable sources for accurate & honest information about the holocaust.

    Can you please tell me which of those things that I listed are: "...pure inventions of Holocaust deniers."
     
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    Just when I have had it and want to quit, I come upon a new source I've never heard of before... a certain scientist/astronomer by the name of Kollerstrom, a well established British academic who lost his position from one day to the other without an explanation or reason given.
    All he did was talk about some delousing methods in German work camps during WWII and he mentioned the poison Zyklon.
    He found out, no-one’s allowed to discuss this topic, because that would violate the new religion, because it would soon end belief in the huge human gas chambers that existed only in WW2, in Poland.

    Here now the interview of Kollerstrom by Jonas E. Alexis, October 27, 2019
    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/...-historian-challenges-the-holocaust-industry/
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    It may not be new to anyone of you, dear Colleagues! However, it re-enforces the strong need to study and use one's logical thinking. THAT is always good and doesn't hurt anyone.
     
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    The Nazis used this building as a temporary solution because the gas chambers in Birkenau were still under construction. Of course, Auschwitz-1 didn't have a performance like the death plants of Birkenau. Only when these were finished, the Holocaust could be carried out at full speed.

    The lack of ventilation was also not an issue, because the bodies were taken out by Jewish prisoners. And I think you know that the life of a Jew meant nothing to Nazis.

    In fact, there happened an accident in which an SS man showed poisoning symptoms, as Hoess wrote in his memoirs.

    There were three branches dealing with the Holocaust retrospectively. The judiciary, the historians and the media.

    The media had indeed created a "Holocaust industry" because for them it's all about money. They have dramatized, exaggerated and added lots of lies. For Holocaust research, however, media reports have almost no meaning.
     
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    He denied that the Auschwitz gas chambers were used for killing people.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Kollerstrom

    He must be a fool. Telling lies about NS crimes is prohibited in some countries only. Mostly in those who suffered from Nazi terror.

    Btw, an open Letter to Nick Kollerstrom:
    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2013/08/open-letter-to-nick-kollerstrom-on.html
     
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    Sorry for the delay in responding.

    Yesterday was Thanksgiving in America and we had about 25 people for dinner & still have 4 out of town guests staying with us.

    I read and appreciate both links you provided and the first one, "A Slippery Slope of a Grandson" is more in keeping with other things I have read about poor, desperate & exploited Rainer Hoess.

    However, because of Rainer's countless fraudulent antics, it's hard to tell if he is exploiting the Holocaust Industry or the Holocaust Industry is exploiting him. At any rate, because he is so clearly eager to say anything to anyone for fame and money, it's hard to believe anything he says.

    Thanks,
     
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    I'm still not clear if or why you believe that the morgue / "gas chamber" at Auschwitz could ever have been used even once as a homicidal gas chamber in spite of its location across from a hospital and next to the Gestapo office as the toxic fumes from even one gassing would have sickened or killed anyone nearby, Jewish or not Jewish.

    Re:
    I only know that many Jews died, some were executed and some Jews were important enough to the Nazis that they were admitted into the Nazi party(1).
    Meanwhile, about 150,000 full and partial Jews served in Hitlers military with many of them winning Germany's highest honors and rising to the highest ranks with the full knowledge of Hitler and the German High Command.

    Finally, Hitler, himself, had a platonic friendship with a young Jewish girl, Rosa Nienau,(3) who shared the same birthday.

    With so many Jewish people serving in so many important capacities with the full knowledge and approval of the Nazis, it cannot be accurately said that the Nazis had a rigid system for the extermination of all Jewish individuals based on their being Jewish.
    As you wrote in your Post # 581: "The Nazi system was pure arbitrariness"

    My question remains, in spite of the location and design of the Auschwitz 1 morgue / "gas chamber", do you still believe that the well organized and technically sophisticated Germans would ever have used that room frequently enough to kill 10,000 people after the first use would have produced catastrophic results?



    (1) "List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent"
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

    EXCERPT "Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of partial Jewish descent."CONTINUED


    (2) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


    (3) "Remarkable tale of Hitler's young Jewish friend"
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46192941

    EXCERPT "According to the auction website, Rosa and her mother had joined the crowds outside Hitler's Alpine retreat Berghof in 1933 on his birthday.

    It is thought that when he discovered Rosa had the same birthday, he invited Rosa and her mother Karoline up to the house - where these photographs were taken.

    Not long afterwards, it was discovered that Karoline's mother had been Jewish, making Rosa Jewish in the eyes of the Nazi state.

    Hitler continued the friendship despite knowing her Jewish heritage

    But this did not dissuade Hitler from carrying on his friendship with girl, to whom he had sent a signed copy of the photograph."
    CONTINUED
     
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    That also surprised me a bit and I looked again ...

    About Auschwitz 1:
    http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_auschwitz.html

    Sorry, I had overlooked that. But yes, without ventilation they would have to wait a long long time until the gas disappeared.
     
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    "Execution" is the wrong term, as these poor guys had not committed any crimes for which they were given the death penalty. They had to die because they simply were Jewish and the Nazis hated them for being Jews.

    In Nazi Germany, there was a magazine dedicated to anti-Semitism and propagation of hate against Jews.

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    The bottom line reads: "The Jews are our misfortune".

    During the NS era, all Germans were subject to anti-Semitic brainwashing. And this brainwashing worked well.

    Many witnessed when the Jews were picked up for deportation. And they could also imagine what will happen to them. But they didn't care or secretly rejoiced that the Jews were gone. :(
     
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    Thanks for the "Open Letter". I found some most fantastic down-to-earth comments. I hope you read them, too.

    The latest now is, that Amazon has finally given in to Jewish pressure and removed Kollerstrom's books...
    ...
    "Last week, Robert Rozett, director of the Yad Vashem Libraries, sent an email to Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, requesting that he immediately remove the books from the sites. Yad Vashem’s battle to ban Holocaust-denying books should be welcomed. A list of these books was sent to Amazon a few days ago. This has resulted in books from some authors, known to be notorious Holocaust deniers, whose titles in the books leave no doubt as to their intentions, being withdrawn from sale. For example, The myth of the 6 million David L. Hoggan, an American denier and historian, is no longer on Amazon.

    But there are also newer, little-known works, the titles of which do not allow the authors to be identified as deniers, but which instill doubt about the reality of history. This is the case of Debating the Holocaust: a New Look at Both Sides, a so-called academic, Thomas Dalton (Doctor). By an ambiguous title, the publishing house seeks to hide the fact that it is headed by Germar Rudolf, a German neo-Nazi Holocaust denier.
    The emphasis on authors’ qualifications (a doctor, a judge, a former witness of the camps, etc.) on the cover of books is also a common practice among them, in order to provide additional credit for their works and to legitimize themselves. Amazon customers are likely to get caught up in this dangerous game.
    Thankfully, by March 8th, Amazon.com had removed the book (Cf.).

    Another example of an unknown denier author who is no longer found since March 8th on Amazon: Nicholas Kollerstrom, PhD, Breaking the Spell, The Holocaust Myth and Reality (Cf.).

    They were found in greater numbers (about a hundred) in the section “Holocaust Handbooks,” but since March 8, there are no more denial writers in this section. This is a decision from Amazon that we can only rejoice in."

    When will they petition to have his book,

    "Distribution of acid mucus in the bronchial mucous glands." removed? :razz:

    ~ ~ ~
    Yes, that is an outstanding success indeed!!! But what am I going to do now, if I want to buy and read his books?
    Here is the Huff-Post link I got when I clicked on your link:
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/amaz...art-of-the-iceberg_b_58c0fe8fe4b0c3276fb78186
     
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    Please, never apologize for being late!! There is no such thing on a forum.
    Belated, I wish you a Happy Thanksgiving! May you still enjoy some company over the coming weekend.
    I forgive him! I read he had a hard time as a youth.
    As long as he isn't killing anybody he is doing o.k. I wouldn't want to walk in his shoes.
     
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    Come on, Grauly... let's get some sleep
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    before the Pitbull wakes up!!!!


    Good Night, All!
     
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    Some lunatics consider Holocaust denial (they call it "Revisionism") a great intellectual adventure. They store the books of their grandmasters like Leuchter, Zundel, whoever, on the internet, in the cloud and filesharing systems.

    You just have to figure out how to find them and then you can read them all.
    All for free, of course. :)
     
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    I'm still interested why you believe that the morgue / "gas chamber" could ever have served as a homicidal gas chamber in which 10,000 people were gassed to death after considering its many flaws and its location across from the hospital and next to the Gestapo office.
    Even if the morgue / "gas chamber" had a strong ventilation system, there's no air tight door and no chimney or flue to exhaust the toxic gas at a safe altitude. Therefore, anyone walking nearby would have been sickened during each gassing.

    I read the link you provided and after closer examination, I simply do not believe that 700 - 800 people could have been put into a space that is smaller than about 850 square meters (17m X 4.5m). In order to fit 700 - 800 people in that room, one would have to try to squeeze about 8 people into a square meter and that is a physical impossibility.

    Briefly put, if Pressac etc are wrong or being dishonest about the morgue / "gas chamber" holding 700 - 800 people and killing 10,000 people, why would any thinking individual believe anything that he and other Holocaust storytellers claim.




    "THE “HOMICIDAL GAS CHAMBER” SHOWN AT AUSCHWITZ WAS NEVER A GAS CHAMBER"
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/

    EXCERPT "The fact it was never a gas chamber has been admitted by the Auschwitz museum. Dr. Franciszek Piper, former senior curator and director of the Auschwitz State Museum admitted on videotape that the holes in the ceiling that were purportedly used to throw Zyklon-B into the rooms used for “homicidal gas chambers” were added AFTER the war, as was the chimney that is built near to, but NOT even attached to, the supposed “gas chamber” building, a building that was in actuality used as a air raid shelter –" CONTINUED



    "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml
    EXCERPT
    "Fake 'Gas Chamber'

    Each year for decades, tens of thousands of visitors to Auschwitz have been shown an execution "gas chamber" in the main camp, supposedly in its "original state." In January 1995 the prestigious French weekly magazine L'Express acknowledged that "everything" about this "gas chamber" is "false," and that it is in fact a deceitful postwar reconstruction." CONTINUED
     
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    Simply because the people disappeared. They were deported to Auschwitz and were never seen again. It's very unlikely that the story of the gas chambers is a fake, later invented after the victims were murdered.
     
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    Even though it is common among people who believe the standard holocaust narrative (SHN), I don't think that it is constructive to use insulting terms to slander people who hold different opinions or insult experts who have refuted Holocaust lore simply because they present inconvenient facts.

    As I've noted before, far more people around the world do not believe the SHN according to a study done by the ADL.(1)
    Most people who do believe the SHN (holocaustians) have been influenced by Western mainstream media (MSM) and have learned about the Holocaust via Hollywood. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the world does not believe the SHN.

    Refusing to believe the physically and technically impossible SHN has nothing to do with hating Jews, or a fondness for reprehensible Nazism.
    It is simply an ability to think for yourself while looking for an honest and accurate account of what really happened in Europe in the 1930s and 1940s rather than believing the long debunked Allied propaganda narrative. Yes, it is at least naive to think that only the Nazis and Communists used or use propaganda and only the victorious Allies narrative is the honest truth.

    The strongest indicator that the flimsy SHN is false is the totalitarian style persecution of those who do not believe the SHN and repressive "Holocaust denial" laws.
    The truth, after all, welcomes the sunlight of open debate and honest examination while a lie can only survive under the darkness of repressive censorship.




    (1) ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
    https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...he-world-is-full-of-holocaust-deniers/370870/

    EXCERPT “Only 54 percent of the world's population has heard of the Holocaust.

    This is the most staggering statistic in a new survey by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of more than 53,000 people in over 100 countries, conducted by First International Resources.

    Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.

    Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.

    Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."

    - Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.

    - people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
     
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    Actually, more than 200,000 inmates were transferred from Auschwitz and about 1,500 people who served their sentences were released.
    As you know, Germany, like every country had genuine criminals and not everyone was incarcerated simply because of their race, religion, or political affiliation.

    Do you agree that it would have been impossible to fit 8 people inside a square meter and therefore 700 - 800 people inside the morgue / "gas chamber"?

    Also, considering its location and many limitations do you really think that the morgue / "gas chamber" was ever used as a homicidal gas chamber and if so, why do you think so?

    Thanks,



    "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml


    EXCERPT
    "Inmates Released

    More than 200,000 prisoners were transferred from Auschwitz to other camps, and about 8,000 were in the camp when it was liberated by Soviet forces. In addition, about 1,500 prisoners who had served their sentences were released, and returned to their home countries. [18] If Auschwitz had actually been a top secret extermination center, it is difficult to believe that the German authorities would have released inmates who "knew" what was happening there."CONTINUED

    [18.] Franciszek Piper essay in: Y. Gutman & M. Berenbaum, eds., Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp(1994), p. 71.
     

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