Is Anyone Happy with TrumpCare?

Sure. Who would expect a doctor who graduated in Democratic Medicine to know how to treat a Republican! And of course, we all know Progressives have two hearts, whereas libertarians have none.

Very different indeed!

 

Of course you can, just take out your multi tool and just go for it..

Why cant you understand people like me are tough as heck?

 

Are you unhappy with the way that the executive branch is carrying out the legislation enacted by the legislative branch?

 

Different health needs, different expectations, different jobs, different priorities, pretty much different everything.

 

Weird! My mother in law suggested that I should be aborted!

Haha...mother in law jokes...

 

You somehow managed to comprehend precisely the opposite of everything I said... I have difficulty believing the 'misunderstanding' is not deliberate.

 

It's the same ol same ol stuff Democrats want our money

 

Sure... Doctors would never know how to treat somebody who works in a different job than the one they learned in their textbook examples.

 

Why are Democrats so sick, anyone knows?

 

Great! Republicans admit again and again on this thread that they refuse to pay for their healthcare insurance, and we who do pay for it (ours and theirs... because they refuse to pay) are the ones who want your money?

 

Why do you care whether someone has healthcare insurance? Not your problem.

 

Absolutely my problem! Who do you think pays for the Emergency Room of uninsured Republicans who refuse to pay for their own insurance? Hint: not uninsured Republicans who refuse to pay insurance.

 

So don't pay. Those people aren't your problem.

 

Seems likely its more 'equality of results' BS. People who need to go to the doctor a lot to stay healthy (or think they need to go to the doctor a lot to stay healthy) see healthy people as 'overpriveledged' and think that 'priveledge' needs to be spread around to the masses. God forbid someone have it easier than someone else...

 

Unsubstantiated claims aside, those 'republicans' 'who refuse to pay for their own insurance' never mandated that the collective pick up the tab.

 

Of course. That is how democrats think. The patient's preferences are not important. Only what the bureaucrats think is best. One size fits all.

 

who pays for whom, exactly...
are you suggesting that all those peeps on public assistance programs are actually republicans! all those peeps on obamacare are actually republicans! all those peeps on welfare/medicaid are actually republicans!

holy begeezus, who knew...

jokes on the dems if thats all true...

 

You want me to become a freeloader like them? Freeloaders are the problem!

And you not being up in arms against them is a fine example of how Trump has changed the Republican party. Not for the better...

 

So who did you think picks up their tab? Did you think that the expenses the Hospital and providers incurred in just... disappears into thin air if they don't pay?

They are mandating it by refusing to pay.

 

Actually, its NOT. They just reduced the penalty to 0 dollars so that they could pass it in a reconciliation bill without having to get more than 51 votes.

 

What democrats think is that a patient's life is important. I have made fun of your argument because it's one of the most ridiculous talking points in the anti-healthcare industry. Nothing that Democrats have proposed has anything whatsoever that would change "preferences" of your doctor or what your doctor and the patient decide is the best treatment. It's up to the doctor, if they decide to participate or not. Not to any of the healthcare plans. But all of them do manage to increase the well being of people. This concept that medical care for me or for you is any different is absurd. We all want as much quality healthcare as possible for as little cost as we can get. And that's the goal. Most countries where there is universal healthcare, the basic healthcare delivers more than the most expensive healthcare here. And I'm including even some underdeveloped nations. I have lived in several in which even vitamins and over the counter medications are covered, if the doctor deems them necessary for a treatment. Visual, dental....included. And their expense is far less than what we pay. The road this country decides to go -may will be different from those countries, but it will definitely be better and likely less expensive than what we have now. And off-the-charts better than what Republicans have proposed. Which is going back to pre-Obamacare.

 

You make my point. As I said: Republicans call "freeloaders" those who can't pay for their healthcare because they don't have the means. Democrats call "freeloaders" those who can but won't pay for their healthcare. The latter are the real leaches of society. It's besides the point whether the "leaches" themselves are Republicans, Democrats, Independents,... You accused Democrats, despite the fact that not a single Democrat on this forum has expressed unwillingness to pay for their healthcare.

Poor people can come out of poverty, and eventually help pay the bill. This is much more likely to happen than leaches suddenly growing a conscience.

 

Why are you assuming being uninsured has anything to do with party affiliation? Why are you assuming uninsured people don’t write a check to pay for ER visits? Should we convert the restaurant industry to a single government payer system because you and other progressives can’t be trusted to not walk out without paying your bill? I mean it happens. Most criminals identify with the Democratic Party. Because so many Dems shoplift should we make Walmart take government taxpayer funded payments of what government thinks their product is worth to prevent me from having to pay more for product to cover shoplifting losses?

This is the argument you are making. You may claim you always pay at the grocery and before you leave a restaurant. But that isn’t good enough for me. I don’t trust you. You’ve picked a hill of absurdity to die on in the healthcare debate.

 

Thanks for clarifying. I should have said the penalty is gone. I guess it’s similar to weed in free states. It’s still illegal you just aren’t subject to adverse consequences any more. The GOP handling of the ACA is one reason I could never be a part of that party.

 

No. It is not. They just reduced the penalty to 0.