The Worst President in History

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not a "trumpian" you d1ck.
     
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    Not enough. It should've been at least 10% higher relative given U.S. responsibilities.
     
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    LBJ never wanted the war in Vietnam. Completely opposite in fact he was convinced that the war in Vietnam would ruin his beloved Great Society programs.

    But Johnson was obsessed with the idea of being "the first American president to lose a war". He was acutely aware of how the "loss of China" had hurt his Democratic Party for years and how the inconclusive, frustrating nature of the Korean War had all but ruined the Truman presidency. LBJ was convinced that retreating from Vietnam would destroy his presidency.
     
  4. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Frankly, we agree 99999.1 percent of the time.

    Having read the great biography of LBJ by his appointed biographer, I believe he felt he could win fast.
    A famous woman wrote it and had total access to him in t he White house for the book. She is so famous I need a pill to recall her name. Darn it. But due to Gulf of Tonkin, I do not forgive him for his role in the war.
     
  5. Dayton3

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    I don't blame LBJ for the Gulf of Tonkin attacks or the following resolution. After all, the August 2nd 1964 Gulf of Tonkin attack DID happen (admitted to by the North Vietnamese). It was the August 4th Gulf of Tonkin attack that never actually occurred and that LBJ himself doubted.
     
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    Trifecta failure George H.W. Bush. 1986 Amnesty to illegal aliens was meant to be compassionate to a few 100K in the US and then really get serious about controlling our border. He didn't. But he did take us into a foreign war that had nothing to do with us and lost it. On a national direction for the nation, he broke his tax pledge and brought us further down the road to serfdom. Aaaaand he put David Souter on the USSC.
     
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    The 1986 Amnesty was Reagan.

    And the U.S. hardly "lost" the 1991 Gulf War. It was the closest thing to a major U.S. victory since World War Two.
     
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    Yes, Reagan did the Amnesty but George was his 3rd term so to speak, and it was up to him to then do the "getting serious about border control" part of it. He didn't.
    I can't call the Gulf war a success when I think it is what necessitated the 2003 invasion. And we're still over there some $7 trillion later. (I was against 1991 but for 2003 as I think the unfinished business was going to bite us).
     
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    Virtually no victories in war are permanent.
     
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    I'm not sure about that. Historically, war could be pretty brutal, with one side often completely wiping out the other.
    But for the Iraq conflict, I guess I have to ask if it was worth it? That we got precious little out of 1991 and had to go back so soon. (WW1 is considered by many to have been a waste for the same kind of reason: we were right back over there for 2, which was really a continuation of 1). I think we knew or should have known the issue had not been resolved. We had shaken a hornet's nest and just stood there listening to it buzz.
     
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    Just picked up the Kindle version of this writer's book on Trump erasing Obama. Sounds like it will be a fun read.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You know something, It has been decades since I read her history of LBJ and then other books still in my library by Bob McNamara. Also at that age, a commander I served under in Germany talked to me in the 1990s and he said he had to go to Vietnam. This famous woman historian is a person the Democrats on TV love to use on TV shows. Doris Goodwin is who it is. She was then Doris Kearns. She married Goodwin. She was unmarried when she authored the biography of LBJ. She is decidedly a Democrat. This is the book I still own.

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    Sorry man, just fell for the ol' "if it looks and sounds like a duck" and all that.

    And surely you're adult enough to spell dick if you're gonna call me one, but no worries, feel free to do so. I don't mind since I am both proud and quite fond of mine.
     
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    My point exactly.
     
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    Change how to your point?
     
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    The trump policies are collapsing= Finland, Belgium, Denmark, Netherlands, Norway, and Sweden released a joint statement an Iran’s nuclear program by all parties involved.
    Finland, Belgium, Denmark, Netherlands, Norway, and Sweden released a joint statement asserting it’s of “the utmost importance to the preservation and full implementation of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPoA) on Iran’s nuclear program by all parties involved.”
     
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    Finland, Belgium, Denmark, Netherlands, Norway, and Sweden

    That's like saying rohde island, Vermont, new Hampshire.. tiny countrys of white people.
     
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    I always thought that Herbert Hoover was the worst. His policies made the great depression so much worse.
     
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    I didn't read it and I won't.
    Your excerpt shows too much Obama-bashing. :(

     
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    Bush military budget 8 years $billions
    335 362 456 491 506 556 625 696
    Obama
    698 721 717 681 610 614 637 582

    I could use a little gutting like that.
     
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    Not quite but then he did have reduced spending on two war fronts. He asked for more spending but because congress can't get it's act together on a spending bill automatic cuts kicked in.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then why did FDR use them?
     
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    Each of us can criticize any president based on our own personal beliefs, biases, philosophies, etc.

    Criticizing Obama is largely a futile exercise because aside from being a 'poster-boy' for racial 'diversity' and 'inclusiveness', along with a sprinkling of socialism and 'change', Obama, himself, did almost NOTHING... thus, there is little to 'blame' him for besides being a stooge for his manipulating, scheming, liberal brain-trust of 'handlers'....

    As a matter of recorded fact, Obama did break the law (LAW) no less than three times during his eight years in office, and for each of those baldly obvious infractions he should have been impeached and removed from office. But, Obama got away with all of it, primarily because he is half-Black.... I can just hear the howls from the Left now, but, that's the truth!
     
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    FDR didn't give a half assed thought to much of what became the New Deal. He openly talked about how the American people wanted action and he gave them action with little actual thought into how or even if policies would work or not.
     
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    Having the "power" to abandon treaties doesn't mean that it's magically smart to do it. We all have the ability to crap our pants. Should we do that and pretend that having the power to do it is synonymous with a wise decision?

    Judicial picks who are unqualified--note that they cross party lines:

    https://ballotpedia.org/ABA_ratings_during_the_Trump_administration
     

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