Is Anyone Happy with TrumpCare?

That’s the important part, right? Now it’s no different than catching a fish with your bare hands in Indiana.

 

I'm not assuming anything. I'm going with the admission of those on this forum who have admitted to not paying, and responding accordingly. I have not seen a single Democrat in that group, so why would I refer to them? Of course there are some outside this Forum (I'm sure). But I don't see any evidence that there are any here. So I don't have to refer to them.

Because the example in the discussion you jumped into assumes that they are dead! Dead people don't write checks.

Wow! Looks like you struggled to find a significant example, but all you could come up with was... this nonsense Anyway, there is so much wrong that... I don't even know where.. Ok. I'll just mention that if you can find a law that says that taxpayers compensate in any part for unpaid restaurant bills, then go for it! I could go on and on for pages further showing how idiotic your example is, but it's not worth wasting any more time on it.

In my life I have made arguments that turned out to be wrong. Even some that I later learn were not very good. But never have I made any argument even remotely as absurd as the one you just made.

 

How is the Medicare privatization going? The executive order was signed mid-October. Great election strategy, how about we privatize Medicare and SSN?

 

So. Why not reference the specific members instead of “Republicans”?
I would like for you to quote where any republican stated they aren’t paying for their care. I may have missed it.

You may want to study up on hospital bills of dead people. You have a strong tendency to operate from false premises. Depending on state law, the estate most certainly does pay the bill in your scenario. If the estate is insolvent the institution is SOL.

Please quote where I’ve made the argument taxpayers compensate unpaid restaurant bills. If this argument seems nonsensical to you it is because you aren’t able to grasp the concepts. Your assertion taxpayers pay if someone kicks the bucket at the hospital is silly. In the context of this discussion the estate pays. Or the institution eats the bill. Just like my examples of restaurants and retailers. You WANT government to pay, but that isn’t how it works in your scenario.

I am accustomed to this stock response from you when the subject is beyond your grasp. I find it instructive to third party members so actually appreciate the consistency.

 

What are you talking about? You want me to list them? Why? Is that your argument?

That shouldn't be a problem. You can go back to previous pages. Posts don't go away, you know.

Nope! Hospital receives tax benefits which may vary depending on how likely these cases happen. Obamacare managed to reduce the likelihood with the individual mandate. But that displeases freeloaders. So Republicans have been trying to eliminate it.

My point exactly!

 

Used to be the HCP could send them to collections and force the debtor into a payment plan, like with other forms of unpaid debt.

Why thats not good enough and we instead need to subsidize the whole thing is, imo, at the root of this debate.

 

And only the government can decide how a person ought to spend his money. Then on top of that, having health insurance does not guarantee health care. The deductible on some of those prevent the people from actually using it.

 

They must be really good at their job if they can force a debtor who is dead into a payment plan.

 

Ah. So your positition then, is that healthcare needs to be subsidized so that HCPs arent losing money when their patients die?

 

Yes. If they are the object of your post you don’t refer to them generically to include all republicans. If you are referencing specific posters, including others is dishonest. That is part of my argument.

If they don’t go away, quote them. We both know you are putting words in their mouth. Too many people let you get away with false premises and twisting people’s words to fit your narrative. I won’t.

Walmart receives federal money. It’s irrelevant to this discussion. But you are wrong anyway. If I die at the hospital my estate pays the bill. That’s just a fact. Read your sig line and act on it.

Your point is blown up, sir. You haven’t one now. Food is more essential than healthcare, yet you say single payer food is dumb while advocating for single payer healthcare based on people you wrongly assume are free riders.

Waiting for you to quote where I said what you claim I said. Again you won’t because you can’t. You have made another false claim. Shocking.

 

No. Do you not read my posts before you respond? I believe that those who don't pay for their healthcare (all their healthcare), even though they have the financial ability to do so, are freeloaders.

 

No! Would probably get me in trouble with the mods. But you can find their names on the posts they sent.

Of course not! Republicans who pay for healthcare insurance are fine. No idea where you would get that I'm referring to all Republicans. You're the only one who misinterpreted what I said.

One of us would have to go back and look for the posts. It's not going to be me. I'm not going to waste my time doing that just because you misread.

Only in an extremely limited number of cases.

Are you actually still trying to push that idiotic restaurant example? So eating in a Restaurant is more essential than healthcare? Good grief!

What is it you think I claim you said? Quote this supposed "claim"! Read my sig. Every word I have written has been thoroughly researched.

 

Patients that live can be forced into a payment plan. If the patients that die aren't your concern, why is subsidation preferable to forcing individuals into a payment plan?

 

You're the only one saying that patients that die aren't my concern. They are! Because they used services the cost of which are covered with my money. And if they were able to pay for their own health insurance when they were alive, but refused... they are free loaders.

 

No wonder so many of us can't take you seriously when you make statements like that. Are you really claiming that you researched every word of this comment? "Every word I have written has been thoroughly researched." Every word was researched. How long did all that research take?

 

That's just an explanation, in case you were wondering why it is that when I make factual claims pertinent to what is being discussed on each thread, I can always show references, evidence, links, quotes... to support my claims. And you can't.

Which doesn't mean that I'm always right. But if I'm proven wrong, again unlike you, I just retract. Easy... and always a sure way to win.

Not the topic of this thread, though.

 

Not sure what Trumpcare is other than Obamacare without the unconstitutional stipulations.

 

You are the one who made the statement.
Just an explanation? Does that mean it is not factually true? How long did it take ot research each of the nine words I quoted?

 

I'm saying don't let them be freeloaders. Don't pay them. Problem solved.

 

You are misrepresenting what they said. The member told you so. I accept your concession. I hope the mods don’t come down on me for quoting you! Epic.

It’s not interpretation, it’s what you said. Republicans that don’t buy insurance are fine too. As are Democrats, Progressives, etc. Whether or not one has insurance is irrelevant. Unless you want me to force you to buy restaurant patron insurance.

I have re-read the entire thread. The members you refer to never said they don’t pay their bills. They never said they don’t have assets to cover the scenario YOU imposed on the thread.
Here is the law.
https://www.thebalance.com/debts-from-the-estate-of-a-deceased-person-3505230
Under your scenario and information provided by other members, you are factually incorrect. The bill would be paid.

No. In all cases such as YOUR scenario.

Restaurant wasn’t my only example. I included the other source of food for 99% of people as well. It’s all over your head. Healthcare is less essential than eating. Your line of thought is all I’ve restated. So if it’s idiotic, it’s your idea. I’m sorry to have to set such traps for you, but it’s hard to resist with people who are so authoritarian in nature.

In post #127 you challenged me to find law that requires any form of taxpayer funds covering unpaid restaurant bills. I never claimed any such thing existed. In fact my premise was that it doesn’t, but should, because you can’t be trusted not to take advantage of a business. Just another false premise you fall back to when you can’t address the actual subject of a post.

Obviously you need to do more research because you are completely incorrect on payment of medical bills after death.

 

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TrumpCare is the promised national healthcare system of the US under Trumpery:

"Everybody is taken care of!"​

You may need your memory refreshed:

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A lifetime.

 

When I asked: "So your positition then, is that healthcare needs to be subsidized so that HCPs arent losing money when their patients die?"

You said: "No."

Perhaps I'm not phrasing it clearly...?

 

Since you make that silly claim. Just how long did it take to research the 100,000 or so more common words in the English Language? How much time, on average, did you spend researching each word?

 

This isn’t about freeloading. It’s straight up thirst for power. Makes me sick.