Can impeachment be legitimate if no laws are broken?

I understood your points and didn't claim the contrary. They are simply off topic, and wildly so.

I'll answer you later this morning but you need to back off the insults. I am not outraged. I am disappointed.

 

I am not so cynical as to believe the senators would do that. Of any party. The house is a different matter.

 

Give them senators some years of time, then reevaluate them.

 

As I've noted before, Michelle Obama is, very likely the most dangerous, destructive, and corrosive thing that could happen to this country if she were ever to set foot in the Oval Office in an executive capacity. Her education prior to going to law school consisted of 'fluff' majors in Sociology and "African-American Studies" (as differentiated from anthropology?). Thus, perfectly prepared to installed high in American government, an almost exact replication of her husband, Barack....

Nevertheless, she enjoys a status just tantamount to that of royalty with the hyperliberal-infested "media", which has cooed and fawned over her from the moment they became aware of her. But she's perhaps more accurately seen for what she is in unguarded, un-'sanitized' remarks she's been caught making, like when campaigning in Wisconsin in February 2008 with 'hubby', that “for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country.” I'll borrow just enough 'poetic license' to observe that Michelle Obama is the 'Black Widow" that lurks in the shadows of the American political scene today. An America-hating, venomous spider that could come dropping down into the Executive Branch with fully predictable effects.... "Obama 2.0", only much, much WORSE.

The question, then, is: having already paid the requisite obeisance at the politically-correct altar of 'inclusiveness' and 'diversity' in American political politics with the election, and re-election of Barack Obama, do the 'inner-party' factions that really rule and control this country want to bring someone like Michelle Obama on-stage in a capacity larger than being the 'queen' of liberal talk-shows...?

. "Hey, they might just be stupid enough to do it!"

 

Ask Mad Maxine. "Impeach Fawty Five, Baby."

 

What is this, the Spanish Inquisition?

Anyway, my answers would be:

Some, but not all.

Not to my knowledge. But there have only been three, and no convictions in the Senate to my knowledge.

No.

No.

 

they can not ask a foreign government for help going after their political opponent, he could pass the info on to the DOJ or the FBI and they could investigate it

 

There's a reason that Bonespurs hasn't done that. It's be a ****-storm for him if he tried to use our government resources to get himself elected. There's nothing to investigate, so he calculated that he could strong-arm Ukraine into doing so.

 

It depends on whatt you mean by "going after." That's a vague term. Whee did you find it?

I don't think you can find a specific law, by which I mean a statutory enactment, that prohibits what Trump did. This is why the House was left with the elastic and loose goose "abuse of authority" allegation. Half the people here were completely convinced that it was an easy case of "bribery." Why do you think that's not even alleged in the impeachment articles, drafted by the most vicious Democrat Trump haters anywhere?

It would have been better politically for the House to simply censure him and then use the censure, which is not reviewable, as a grounds to oppose him politically. As it is, the Dems are claiming victory with the Impeachment action of the House, which is nothing but a list of accusations, and Trump will claim victory by his acquittal in the Senate, which has more finality, like a verdict of not guilty, if it even gets to a vote (it may be dismissed in the Senate by motion). If you were accused of committing a crime, would you rather have it just lie there, or would you prefer going to court and being acquitted?

I don't understand what the Democrats are doing.

 

asking a foreign government to announce an investigation into your political rival

anyone other than the President did that, they would go to jail - Presidents can not be indicted, only impeached for their wrong doing

 

I got political questions, and I really have no idea what the answers are.

1. If Biden and his son are clean as whistles, why would they not welcome an investigation, which is sure to produce nothing, correct? and then rub Trump's nose in it, as Obama rubbed Trump's nose with the Hawaiian certificate of live birth?

2. If they are guilty, and if there is some smoking gun in the energy company's records to show the company's corrupt purpose in hiring your Biden, wouldn't Biden's opponents use it to their advantage in the Demo primaries?

3. And If they are guilty, wouldn't the Democratic Party want it disclosed asap so that they could get a cleaner candidate nominated and not have to deal with Trump needling an easily irritated Biden in the debates? A clean candidate like the fake Indian or the commie?

 

his own people said he did not even want a real investigation, just an "announcement" of an investigation, so he could use it politically against his political rival

 

why would Trump not welcome a investigation into his children profiting off his Presidency?

and for Trump it's worse as his children work in the White House and Trump himself profits off of it too in many cases

everyone knows Trump's children and Biden's son would not make these deals with foreign countries except for their having their fathers last name

 

I'm open to the possibility that you're right, but am interested in where you read that? And I don't mean the Daily Kos, I mean what law says that?

All persons in American prisons have been formally charged with violating a specific statute. Which one applies to what you are talking about? Be specific.

 

I don't know. Is anyone calling for one? The children were in business before the election of 2016. I am pretty sure the one who work inside the White House work for no pay.

But sure, fine by me. Investigate away.

 

"Yes, President Trump Violated Campaign Finance Law by Asking Ukraine for a “Favor”"

https://campaignlegal.org/update/ye...ted-campaign-finance-law-asking-ukraine-favor

but that said, he is going to be impeached rather then indicted as the founders made clear this was an impeachable offense and Presidents can not be indicted

 

I am fine with it too as long as Trump and his children are investigated too

 

Be my guest.

 

I am not suggesting he be indicted. But you need to read the article you cited, which looks like it came out of a Democratic think tank:

But even if Justice Department attorneys truly believed that the solicited “thing of value” did not exceed $2,000 or $25,000, then it only means that Trump did not commit a prosecutable campaign finance crime. It does not mean, as a Justice Department spokesperson asserted, that “there was no campaign finance violation.”

While criminal campaign finance violations must exceed certain monetary thresholds, a civil campaign finance law violation does not depend on the value of the solicited contribution. A person who solicits any “thing of value” from a foreign national may be subject to civil penalties.

In other words, a campaign finance violation is not a crime, much less is it a "high crime or misdemeanor. the Obama campaign was fined $375,000 for a campaign finance violation. Not that I care.

It's all small potatoes. That's why it's not in the Articles of Impeachment.

 

the founders made clear that bribing foreign government to interfere in our elections was impeachable and most with common sense agree it is wrong to do so

 

be mine too

 

No, you guys be MY guests.

 

Foreign law has no jurisdiction in the US. Donald needs to defend himself against domestic laws. And I already proved to you that you can not bribe a foreign official.

 

As the FBI investigated Trump and his team on a mask of reason so thin they had to mislead a FISA court on it? I'd rather leave them out.

 

fake news, don't believe the republican lies