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It wasn't the taxation - it was the absence of representation.

And, the people not represented today are those in Wahington, DC.

If Washington, DC took action, that would at least have some justification.

However, shooting at federal agents while stealing federal assets is NOT A LEGITIMATE ACTIVITY.

And, I'm VERY sure our founders would agree with that.

 

no they haven't.

It does not. every city has these issues. political affiliation is entirely irrelevant.

 

That is NOT THE ISSUE.

The issue is whether it's OK for a bunch of cowboys to sart shooting at federal agents in order to steal federal lands that is owned (at this point) by all of us.

If you want to sell off our wilderness areas, you can tell that to your representatives.

That's the way our system of government works.

 

85-15?

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We where represented in parliament by Benjamin Franklin, again a history book is fun to read.



What is your name, and place of abode?
A. Franklin, of Philadelphia.

Q. Do the Americans pay any considerable taxes among themselves?
A. Certainly many, and very heavy taxes.

Q. For what purposes are those taxes laid?
A. For the support of the civil and military establishments of the country, and to discharge the heavy debt contracted in the last [Seven Years'] war. . . .

Q. Are not all the people very able to pay those taxes?
A. No. The frontier counties, all along the continent, have been frequently ravaged by the enemy and greatly impoverished, are able to pay very little tax . . .

Q. Are not the colonies, from their circumstances, very able to pay the stamp duty?
A. In my opinion there is not gold and silver enough in the colonies to pay the stamp duty for one year.

Q. Don’t you know that the money arising from the stamps was all to be laid out in America?
A. I know it is appropriated by the act to the American service; but it will be spent in the conquered colonies, where the soldiers are, not in the colonies that pay it . . .

Q. Do you think it right that America should be protected by this country and pay no part of the expense?
A. That is not the case. The colonies raised, clothed, and paid, during the last war, near 25,000 men, and spent many millions.

Q. Do you think the people of America would submit to pay the stamp duty, if it was moderated?
A. No, never, unless compelled by force of arms . . .

Q. What is your opinion of a future tax, imposed on the same principle with that of the Stamp Act? How would the Americans receive it?
A. Just as they do this. They would not pay it.

Q. Can anything less than a military force carry the Stamp Act into execution?
A. I do not see how a military force can be applied to that purpose.

Q. Why may it not?
A. Suppose a military force sent into America; they will find nobody in arms; what are they then to do? They cannot force a man to take stamps who chooses to do without them. They will not find a rebellion; they may indeed make one.

Q. If the act is not repealed, what do you think will be the consequences?
A. A total loss of the respect and affection the people of America bear to this country, and of all the commerce that depends on that respect and affection.

Q. If the Stamp Act should be repealed, would it induce the assemblies of America to acknowledge the right of Parliament to tax them, and would they erase their resolutions [against the Stamp Act]?
A. No, never.

Q. Is there no means of obliging them to erase those resolutions?
A. None that I know of; they will never do it, unless compelled by force of arms.

Q. Is there a power on earth that can force them to erase them?
A. No power, how greatsoever, can force men to change their opinions . . .

Q. What used to be the pride of the Americans?
A. To indulge in the fashions and manufactures of Great Britain.

Q. What is now their pride?
A. To wear their old clothes over again, till they can make new ones.

The Parliamentary History of England (London: 1813), XVI, 138–59; Steven Mintz, ed. "The Testimony of Benjamin Franklin in the British Parliament, 1766" on Digital History Web site (2003), http://www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/documents/documents_p2.cfm?doc=270 (accessed February 28, 2007).

 

If you are back to being confused about elections in America, please remember that mayors do not have control of gerrymandering, registration law, and most other election law.

Republicans need to start backing the concept of making voting equally available to all citizens - rather than working on preventing people they don't like from voting - or even being registered.

That is, Republicans need to improve their understanding of democracy.

 

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Anti-Democratic political factions that rig and nullify elections can never deliver representative government or enact legitimate legislation.
That was the problem for the Tories and now is a problem for the DP.

"Only tyranny, according to political theory a
bastard form of government, does away with constitutional,
namely, lawful government. However, the liberties which the
laws of constitutional government guarantee are all of a nega-
tive character, and this includes the right of representation for
the purposes of taxation which later became the right to vote;
they are indeed 'not powers of themselves, but merely an exemp-
tion from the abuses of power';* they claim not a share in govern-
ment but a safeguard against government."
ON REVOLUTION, Hannnah Arendt, Penguin Classics, NY, NY, 2006. p. 257, 258.
https://archive.org/stream/OnRevolution/ArendtOn-revolution_djvu.txt

 

The good old days for Detroit.

 

Mayors and wards dont ?

Look at the Democrats did to Chicago this has been why no Republican mayors of Chicago in almost a 100 years

Republicans learned gerrymandering from Democrats, tell us Republican run cities that has not had a Democrat mayor recently?

 

GOOD LORD!!!

Our founders SPELLED OUT IN DETAIL why we were set on revolution.

It was NOT TAXATION.

How can you possible suggest someone read about our revolution and IGNORE the explicit statement of our founders concerning why it happened???

 

You don’t have a clue. No one is moving from Dallas, Houston, or Austin.

Dallas adds 175,000 people every year. We’ll pass Chicago to be the #3 metro area in the U.S. by 2030.

Houston is right on our tail and will pass Chicago soon after that. Then you’ll have two of America’s four largest cities in Texas.

 

I just proved to you the people revised history, it was all about taxation, with out repestintation was a ruse..

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It's Trump who has obstructed justice and denied even the power of congress to investigate crime. This has been shown over and over again. Trump has even argued that he is totally above the law - something that is absolutely contrary to our form of government.

Suggesting Dems did that is just pain ridiculous.

 

So does illegal immigrants it appears, once again three branches of government, what's so complicated?

 

Nothing in the treaty says they can't.

 

This is where the ignorance from watching television and not experiencing the real world comes from. I live in Portland, which does have a bit of a homeless problem. Yet on most days I never encounter them, and see no traces of them. I suppose if I walked along the railroad tracks or spent time downtown where all the soup kitchens cluster, I'd see them more, but I don't so I don't. It is kind of the beauty of living in a city, a lot of variety. In every city there are good and bad places. Fortunately the good usually overwhelms the bad.

It is the dishonesty of the right wing media that deludes people into thinking all cities are as bad as their worse part. It feeds the hate. Have you not read 1984. It is the hatred of others that drives the machine.

 

I did NOT say there is a population movement away from Texas.

I posted an analysis that shows high tech and innovation workers are moving away from those cities.

In fact, it shows that 90% of growth in high tech and innovation worker sectors has been in just 5 cities as it shrinks in other cities.


I posted this link before:
https://www.vox.com/recode/2019/12/9/21000162/high-tech-job-growth-concentration-brookings

This article includes a link to the Brookings report on what might be done to slow this super concentration direction in these secors. What can be done to stem the losses in North Carolina, Dallas, Houston, Chicago and so many other places.

That link was in my first post on this topic. Please take a look, then I'd be interested in what you think.

 

there is no treaty

 

So you saying Anfti running around looking like idiots dont exist either?

Go to salem Oregon just south of you cops tossing homeless people out of parks and every where

 

Of course there is. It's the treaty that constituted the united states of america. It was established between the sovereign states that ratified it.

 

North Carolina , South Carolina, Gerogia is a hot bed for manufacturing jobs . You can be low skilled working 70 hours a week making $80,000 a year and your rent is $500 a month

 

Yes - there was a period of election crime in Chicago. That's pretty well documented.

Are you suggesting that justifies continuing violations of elecion law, gerrymandering, raising foreign money for elections, etc.?

 

You really are hilarious.

I've never heard anyone suggest our Declaration of Independence was a flat out lie!!

 

False claims.

And, "whataboutism".

How about just following our constitution and the rule of law?