Gig workers’ win in California is a victory for workers everywhere

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  1. Kranes56

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    I know right? Neoliberal assumptions about politics really have led us astray. Who knew supporting economics at the cost of maintaining social goods was a bad idea? It's almost like we need to stop supporting businesses and stop privatizing our welfare system! But what was that about the Democrats again?

    PS If you need to make this about party politics, you're just as dependent on the system. Look past these things and learn how to spot good ideas from bad ones.
     
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    So why not just die? I do ask this question sincerely. We let people die all the time without a care in the world. Why is your life any different? Or mine for that matter when it comes to making sure certain ideas are kept in place "for the good of the economy". The reason I ask you these questions is because you're vulnerable. What would you do without that fixed income? Would you be able to buy food, have a place to sleep, have water? You know those consequences just as I do if I quit my job today. So then I ask you another question. Do you believe this law in of itself is a bad idea, or is it because you're vulnerable that you dislike the law and fear the economic consequences of it? I don't really care the answer, and please don't off yourself. Your life does matter, at least to me it does.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    I thought about this, and maybe I DO want the "freelancer" job without benefits, as opposed to the "employee" job with benefits.

    There are many advantages to being a freelancer, and there are many disadvantages to being an employee.

    Maybe I like making my own hours, and not being subject to the MAN's schedules and his time clocks.

    Maybe I like smokin' the marihooch, and I don't want the MAN testing my tinkle.

    Maybe I don't want to sit through a boring employee orientation, and be forced to watch all sorts of insufferable videos on workplace diversity and wokeness every year.

    Maybe the advantages of doing my own thing outweigh the advantages of workin' under the MAN'S thumb.


    Why don't I get to decide? Why does the government MAN get to come tell me that I don't have a choice, and I gots to work for the MAN, maaaan?
     
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    Bearack Well-Known Member

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    I actually agree with the bold comment the most, but agree with the whole statement.
     
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    I know, and I don't think you're motivated by partisan allegiance. But it doesn't help to make those kinds of comments when the issues that divide us are really not there. Most of us stateside agree with similar ideas and issues. Imagine how we would look if we said these same things over which side of a cake gets cut first? I could imagine quite a few reactions lol. But these issues are bigger than us, but the way we talk to each other doesn't have to be. It can how we care for one another when we talk politics. So let's do that, let's care for each other when we talk about politics.
     
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    Wut?

    All of that made very little sense.

    Who's dying? If somebody doesn't have any income, then they can eat government cheese, and sleep on a cot in the flophouse.

    What do you want from me?
     
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    Spim Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Weird, my idea of the typical (and acceptable) employer/employee situation is exactly that, if you don't work for me under the conditions I require, you will need to work for someone else (it wouldn't put me in the streets) its not demeaning, just how things go, what's toxic about that?

    I apologize if I'm missing some greater point, i'm parachuting in here.
     
  8. Kranes56

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    All I have to do is say "would you trade your house for a 'flophouse'?" and your argument kinda goes out the door.

    In terms of these ideas, they're feminist in origin.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    Wut?

    Why would I trade my sweet ass pad for some smelly bum hut?

    Is that a feminist thing? Do feminists do that?
     
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    No, I don't mind at all. That's fair enough, it's good to see yo! The implication isn't that they would be fired, it's that they will be fired and there is no way you can survive. It's that threat about survival that makes the job toxic.
     
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    Exactly.

    No, rather the reason why you won't do the trade is tied to feminist epistemology, specifically the idea of cruel optimism.
     
  12. Creasy Tvedt

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    Well that's pretty much word salad.

    Are you just messing with me now?
     
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    Do you not know what those words mean? I'm using a technical language yeah but I can explain what they mean.
     
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    Creasy Tvedt Well-Known Member

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    No thanks.

    Not interested in your thesaurus babble navel gazing.

    But you have fun with that.
     
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    Fair enough then, I plan on incorporating these ideas when it comes to my dissertation or thesis or whatever it's called.
     
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    I'm sure your Angry Feminist Grievance Studies professor will appreciate the fancy Vocabulary Fu, but I'm a more of a "If you can't say it in plain English, then it ain't worth saying." sort of fellow.

    Toodles.
     
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    Bye!
     
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    Unintended intended consequences.

    Vox Media to cut hundreds of freelance jobs ahead of changes in California gig economy laws
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/16/vox...-freelance-jobs-ahead-of-californias-ab5.html

    Left-wingers never learn.
     
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    Freelancer. I haven't worked for an employer for over 20 years.
     
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    Why? Or rather here's another way of putting it: You can do the same job for less or more, which would you rather do?
     
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    Less or more what? Money? I am not motivated strictly by money. The word "job" is also problematic. I don't have a job. I take on projects or create material, depending on what I am doing.
     
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    Bad news for housing prices in California, but I guess housing prices -were- a bit too low there.
    Bad news for new car prices in California, but I guess car prices -were- a bit too low there.
    Bad news for ALL small companies in California trying to grow and compete with large companies, but I guess prices in general -were- a bit too low there.
    Bad news for the prices of any product or service sold in California by commissioned salespeople, but I guess prices in general -were- a bit too low there.
    Bad news for...

    GREAT NEWS FOR LAWYERS AND UNIONS! Let's have three cheers for the LAWYERS AND THE UNIONS! I'M SURE WE CAN ALL AGREE THOSE FOLKS DESERVE MORE.
     
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    I tried freelancing on Upwork, but didn't do well enough to pay the bills. Part time underpaid. That said, if I had a better portfolio I could probably make more. Maybe sometime in the future.
     
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    For most gig jobs suck and are the newest way to screw working people who cannot get traditional jobs that the gig replaced.

    Just another rush to the bottom
     
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    Be a shame if crap media was gone.
     

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