As heatwave bakes Australia on land, an unprecedented marine heatwave causes fish kills in the ocean

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Proxy measurements.

    Sheesh! Do you think the scientists are dumb?
     
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    Your proxy measurements are garbage and is exactly what I’m talking about.
    Your initial graph was about weather anomalies on the Australian continent. These anomalies go back 110 years. But there is no information about the number of sensors and locations where data was collected. So, if in 1910-1980 you measured in 5 evenly spaced locations and then in 1981-2019 you measured in 50 locations, then naturally you’ll be able to catch more anomalies with more sensors, giving you a false sense of a warming trend.
    And your “proxy measurements” via ice cores is such a total bull excrement, I’m surprised serious scientists get to claim them to be accurate with a straight face. I don’t even want to get started on flaws related to ice cores, and yet those estimates from ice cores get mashed with highly accurate modern digital measurements and are being sold on wholesale level to undereducated left who then think they are so smart. Those climate “scientists” can piss on you and you will call it a rain.
     
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    It is theory that cannot explain several things. Plus wilkipedia cannot be trusted given how they operate. Just ask sheldrake. with different high priests who enjoy it .


    Not all scientists agree with agw but they are ignored. And that isnt science its politics. But it is anathema to question. Reminds me of religion

    You may be less relevant than able to admit. No room for what science is...tenative. Your mind wont question that is clear. Politics .
     
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    It was sourced from the ABC, which has a very very good reputation for honesty in reporting and THEY got it from the BOM
    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/#tabs=Tracker&tracker=timeseries

    Now if YOU think this is all “bullshit” then feel free to contact Australia’s BOM and complain

    They are very good about answering emails
     
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    Here is the technical report
    https://www.climatechangeinaustralia.gov.au/en/publications-library/technical-report/
    Get back to me when you have more than “it’s all bullshit” as an argument
     
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    You dont question. Real science questions. Only on this issue.is questioning taboo.
     
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    Feel free to look up Milankovitch cycles an any website, from memory even Wuwt is reasonably accurate in relation to them. I am not doing your homework for you.

    Now instead of analysing the theory in relation to observed phenomena you post has devolved into a grizzle about how a couple of scientists are not being heard

    BTW awe just broke a record temp today - yay! :h
     
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    Says the person who has not read the article
     
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    Lol.
     
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    Go for it mate

    They have people paid to answer questions
     
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    Why don't you cite scientific bodies-but rather political bodies and the media?

    Perhaps for the same reason you are worried about this?
     
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    The BIM IS a “scientific body”

    Oh! They are funded by the government but since, at the moment we have an anti AGW government of covsnervative ********s you can bet it is not influenced by “leftist” political ideology

    Other than that feel free to read the IPCC reports I have linked to earlier in this thread

    Failing that cite the “scientific body” you trust in this regard!
     
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    So a political body, and not scientific eh?
     
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    Decide what you like as I pointed out our current government which has been in power since 2013 is all conservative

    I note though you have not supplied a scientific body you would trust
     
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    The industrial revolution I think caused it to disappear.
     
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    You cited media.

    Thats the lowest of the low.
     
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    Perhaps you guys can force China to stop polluting....hahaha!
     
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    Gee I wish we had an international agreement that would put pressure on China we could name it after a city like Paris............

    Ooooooops!
     
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    No I cited the ABC (again govt funded think of it as our BBC) who had cited the BOM which as I explained :roll: is our govt funded Bureau of Meteorology the Aussie equivalent of NOAA.

    Get it now?
     
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    Lol your BBC, eh?
     
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    True. The problem is China and India massively adjusting their way of life to change things. We already have here. The US is doing a lot and has made great strides. But China and India on the other hand are growing and causing far more damage now then they used to. And everything China claims they are doing can be taken with a grain of salt considering no one can actually check them. And if their green policy mimics any of their business/economic/human rights policy you’re guaranteed they’re completely ****ing you over, because that’s what they do. They don’t follow any promises and consistently break rules or simply ignore them if they can make money. Make the US look like angels.

    think about it. China completely abuses its own people. Why in the **** would they do anything to help the worlds people? Especially, when it means taking a financial hit? Are they going to do what’s right to make things better? Since when? They could easily lose 1/2 their population and probably wouldn’t break a sweat or care at all.
     
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    So what caused all the heat waves before SUV's?
     
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    Science and climate change are not compatible, one relies on provable data and the other relies on emotion and the quest for money and power.
     
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    They would lock her up and toss away the key.
     
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