Intelligence Panel Releases Trump Report

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  1. Egoboy

    Egoboy Well-Known Member Donor

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    And if impeachment were a legal channel...

    Ah, who am I kidding... he's still guilty...
     
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    Never even slightly? Truly?

    To be clear, your theory is that an immediate response to a discussion of javelin missiles with "we would like a favor" by the leader of the most powerful country, the guy who can unilaterally stop the sale, is "never even slightly" suggesting a delay?
     
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    There were? Witnesses that testified there was no pressure? Remind me of their names.
     
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    Both statements are true
     
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    You should make him tell you the names of those who made such statements under oath.
     
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    No you assume both statements to be true based on the assumptions of others.
     
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    You're badly grasping at straws to find guilt. It's like you don't really care if he's guilty you just want to impeach him.
     
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    No, I am really not. It is a very simple argument to explain the guilt here.

    Trump has unilateral control over the sale of the missiles.

    Trump immediately responded to Ukraine's mention of the missiles by saying, "we need a favor though."

    Ergo, it would be reasonable for Ukraine or anyone else observing neutrally to reach the conclusion that Ukraine would likely need to do the favor if they wanted to get those missiles without any issues.
     
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    Volker and Morrison.
     
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    Really? What did they say?
     
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    And yet, said favor(the investigations) wasn't done during the time the hold was in place.(They've only now begun to look into those matters) and good for them btw, all nations should have a robust judicial system I think you'd agree with that sentiment as a man of the law.

    It's your assertion that the President bribed, or attempted to bribe the Ukrainians. We literally are having an articles based on people's assertions. But in the realm of logic, the President's assertions reign supreme(intent), because we can't read minds.

    You can infer, but I can make just as many inferences to the contrary. This case, if it were purely criminal looks destined for a mistrial.
     
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    Well, darn good thing we have the lock impeachment article.. nobody can remotely say Trump didnt FULLY obstruct Congress..

    So there's that..
     
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    Read their testimony's.
     
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    So every prez who claims executive privilege, a Constitutional right as ruled by our Supreme Court, should be impeached. Interesting.
     
  15. Egoboy

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    Not so interesting, if you had the first remote inkling of what you were falsely claiming...
     
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    Well don't you believe the Obama admin was obstructing a Congressional investigation when they had their people refuse to answer questions before Congress? Do you believe Obama should have been impeached? Or is your interpretation strictly partisan?
     
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    Well, one changed his testimony and the other said it was not what they wanted the President to discuss so I don't see how either one helped Trump.
     
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    Did they actually appear in front of Congress to refuse to answer questions basing it on an acknowledged privilege??

    Then no.
     
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    They refused to answer questions thus obstructing a Congressional investigation. Absolutely same results. If you're not gonna have the courts decide this then you've got less than zero of an argument here.
     
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    Like so many nevertruthers you change the subject but you're not contesting my quote in the least.
    I said:
    How crude. The reason we protect whistle blowers is that we want them to inform us without fear of exposure. The Trump world is the opposite. He works little like the former KGB agent Putin in that all should live in fear to expose the truth regarding Trump's constant corrupt practices. .
     
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    I know, hypocrisy must be ignored.

    There is no law protecting the WB identity. The WB is only protected from retribution. That didn't apply under Obama but hey, law was never that important during his Presidency.
     
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    Witnesses who listened to the call and heard Trump state do us a favor right after Zelensky requested Javelin missiles verify accuracy. It you look at the readout of the call he says just that. Please show me the exact quotes in the call that Trump said never existed. Remember Trump at one point said it was word for word accurate..

    "Trump falsely claimed that a White House-released memo on his July 25 phone call with Zelensky was “an exact word-for-word transcript of the '
    https://www.factcheck.org/2019/10/trumps-inaccurate-claims-about-his-perfect-call/

    Trump claims that he had a right to investigate coruption. There are billions of dollars in corrutpion in Ukraine including the Billions of lost Dollars in Birisma oil company created by upper management and CEOs. Ukraine has billions of dollars of corruption throughout. There is corruption in banks, corporations, jury trials, all forms of news and information sources, but Trump was fixated only on Biden. That's all he asked for in that conversation..he used the levers of foreign policy to get dirt on an American political canditate. I don't buy into Trump and his gang of Nevertruthers.
     
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    Wrong: Whistleblowers are protected from retaliation for disclosure of information which the employee or applicant reasonably believes evidences a violation of any law, rule, or regulation, or gross mismanagement, a gross waste of funds, an abuse of authority, or a substantial and specific danger to public health or safety.[1]Exposure of this WhistleBlower is Retaliation and abusive. His entire life would be on stage for the world to see. Once again we want to preserve democracy Trump wants to cover up facts. He and his gang are Nevertruthers.
     
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    You didn't post the law but from Wiki which is not the law.
     
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    No real guts to respond to my quote in detail. All simplistic B.S.

    I said: "Pure garbage. Soundland had discussions with Trump and Trump stated to him that not only did he want an investigation of the Biden's but that he wanted Zelensky to announced the investigation so the public would know about it. This was an attempt to publicly disgrace Joe Biden and weaken him as a candidate. All of this was proof that Trump was fixated on Joe Biden as a possible rival for the presidency. The sworn testimony of members of the State Department and members of the American Embassy in Ukraine actually confirms the transcript. Immediately after Zelensky requested the deliberately held back Javelin missiles Trump asked for a favor. One favor was to look into crowd strike information and the 2nd was to investigate the Biden's. Reports showed the massive corruption in Ukraine kept growing. damaging all Ukraine institutions including corporations, Jury Trials, Banks, investment firms news organizations Trump. never asked Zelinsky in the transcript about the particulars regarding corruption in all of Ukraine's institutions. He only focused on the Biden's because he needed the political dirt. How could Trump dismiss billions of dollars of corruption throughout Ukraine institutions and only see clear to ask about the Biden's???. Simple, he wanted dirt on an American candidate from the leader of a foreign country. And no one has the guts to disprove that Trump ignored massive institution wide corruption in Ukraine and only requested information about the Biden's"
     

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