Trump was impeached with more votes against him than any other president

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  1. MrTLegal

    MrTLegal Well-Known Member

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    Go live in a different country if you want to exclude someone based on their religion.

    Or be a better American.
     
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    So far, so good...
     
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    I am having a really Merry Impeachmas, how about you?
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Happy to hear... then WTF do you complain about Trump? :confusion:
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's a famous Russian proverb which loosely translates into

    Аny bauble of folly will keep baby jolly :D
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're a Democrat, aren't you? Then you forfeit all rights to speak about Russian collusion.

    Ted Kennedy's Soviet Gambit

    Kennedy's message was simple. He proposed an unabashed quid pro quo. Kennedy would lend Andropov a hand in dealing with President Reagan. In return, the Soviet leader would lend the Democratic Party a hand in challenging Reagan in the 1984 presidential election. "The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations," the memorandum stated. "These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign."
     
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    Lol no truth, no facts, no evidence.

    No president in History has lost a popular vote by 3million. Trump is only 1 of 3 to be impeached. And the most most corrupt and investigated President in in history. Really not much of a presidency at all. And I have the facts to prove it. .

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/trump-investigations/

    The investigations and lawsuits began even before Donald Trump took office. Now he is surrounded by them: Congressional inquiries that could lead to his impeachment and legal challenges that could force him to reveal his tax returns, pay damages or face criminal charges after he leaves office. Lawmakers and prosecutors are looking at whether he abused the powers of the presidency, obstructed an investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 campaign, engaged in fraudulent business practices, violated the emoluments clauses of the Constitution and defamed women by saying they lied about alleged sexual assaults. Here’s a guide to the biggest issues under investigation, or being fought out in federal and state courts. Including:


    Conflicts of Interest including income taxes

    Emoluments Violations

    Trump’s Finances (Did Trump misrepresent the value of his assets and liabilities in sworn disclosures?)

    Foreign Influence(Do any foreign entities have financial leverage over Trump?)

    Campaign Finance What role did two Giuliani associates play in the Ukraine meddling

    Obstruction of Justice Did Trump attempt to obstruct the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 campaign?

    Conflicts of Interest Can the president be forced to turn over his tax returns so lawmakers can look for undisclosed financial entanglements?



    Porn-Star Payoff Did Trump authorize the payment of hush money to to an adult-film star?

    Emoluments Violations Is the president violating the Constitution’s emoluments clauses?

    Trump’s Finances Did Trump misrepresent the value of his assets and liabilities in sworn disclosures?

    Foreign Influence Do any foreign entities have financial leverage over Trump?

    Hush Money Did the Trump Organization break state laws in the Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal hush-money schemes?

    Illegal Profits Is Trump violating the Constitution’s emoluments clauses?

    Bank Fraud Did the Trump Organization inflate its financial health to get loans?

    Insurance Fraud Did the Trump Organization lie to reduce how much it paid for insurance?

    Zervos Defamation Did Donald Trump defame a woman by saying she lied about him groping her?

    And much more as this list isn’t exhaustive.
     
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    exactly
     
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    The democrats are a more diverse party. The Repug party is rigid and hardly diverse at all and almost entirely intolerant of contrary opinion. Trump and Repug Congressional leaders crack the whip and politically punish those representatives/senators in the party with differing opinions. In short the opposite of democracy.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-trump-republican-party-20191223-hoom62cxlndfldjgq45r7tyhmu-story.html
    Chicago Tribune Dec. 23/2019
    "More conventional presidents may be more understanding of lawmakers who are pulled in a different direction by the political demands of their districts — but Trump has shown little tolerance for such dissent. Curbelo, for instance, occasionally spoke out against Trump, particularly over immigration policy, and the president took notice.

    Lawmakers not seeking reelection are often the most candid about the slavish devotion Trump engenders with voters — and the pressure it puts on them.

    Public officials need to be held accountable, and I don’t think any governmental system works well with blind loyalty without reason,” said Rep. Francis Rooney of Florida, who announced his intention to retire earlier this year after criticizing Trump for his conduct with Ukraine and suffering an immediate backlash.

    They were part of a 40-seat loss the party had in the House last year, which deprived the caucus of many of its most independent figures and left it more supportive of the president than ever.

    Trott recounted one of his most vivid memories of his time serving with Trump. It was the day in 2017 when House Republicans voted to repeal the ACA and celebrated afterward at the White House. Trott was one of the first lawmakers to enter the Oval Office after the Rose Garden celebration and he stood behind the president’s desk when Trump pulled out a sheet of paper. “He already had a list of 20 people who had voted against him two hours earlier,” he recalled.

    Interviews with current and former Republican lawmakers as well as party strategists, many of whom requested anonymity so as not to publicly cross the president, suggest that many elected officials are effectively faced with two choices. They can vote with their feet by retiring — and a remarkable 40% of Republican members of Congress have done so or have been defeated at the ballot box since Trump took office."
     
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    No, no I am not
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No need to be ashamed of it, my friend. Democrats are just as American as us Conservatives are :)
     
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    If anyone thinks that "Bath House Barry", & "Slick Perverted Willie", were "Good Presidents".....Then they ought to be "Exiled"! By the way.....How could Hillary run this country.....{ FROM JAIL?}
     
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    I quit reading right at that moment. If you want an adult conversation, debate, exchange, you are going to have to do better than that.
     
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    The Democrats are objectively more diverse. The GOP in the House has zero non-white (after Will Hurd retires in 2020) members and about 9 females.
     
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    The facts say otherwise.

    2019-12-030 VR stats from 2019.png

    Of the 31 states that publish VR stats by party affiliation, the Ds have a +10 edge over the the Rs, who are in 3rd place, while the Is (including Libertarians, Constitution Party people etc) are in 2nd place. And neither party has a majority. We are talking about a plurality margin.

    You are entitled to your own opinion. You are, however, not entitled to fake news.
     
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    Had you actually read how our government works, you would have known that a member of Congress is not impeached. Presidents, Vice-Presidents, Cabinet members, judges, Governor's and such can be impeached and if it comes to a trial in the US Senate, removed with a 2/3 vote of that august body.

    However, members of Congress can be expelled by their own body, but not impeached.

    Also, Muslims have been in "our" country since the founding of the Republic. They have fought in our armed forced against foes abroad, they pay taxes, they contribute to society just as other religious groups do.

    By defaming an entire group of people, you have simply destroyed your own argument.
     
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    Who exactly made that spreadsheet? Where do the numbers come from? What are the numbers representative of? IE: voter registration rolls, polls? What were the questions asked? etc etc

    All in all I think I'll take Gallups word over some anonymous spread sheet made by who knows who at a site that allows editing of it by, from what I can tell...anyone.

    LINK: Party Affiliation
     
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    I made that spreadsheet. No one but me can edit it, others, however can read the information. Everything is linked directly to the official state SOS stats. Every single bit of it. Those are the actual, official voter registration stats. You do understand this easy-to-comprehend fact, right?

    I also do a complete, exhaustive analysis every time:

    https://statistikhengstswelt.blogspot.com/2019/08/voter-registration-in-usa-august-2019.html

    This data will be updated February 2020.

    Gallup: the firm was charged with cooking the books in 2012 and was forced to pay a multi-million settlement out of court in 2014 in order to save it's ass.

    An estimate from one pollster is not the same as cold, hard facts.

    I have been following this data for 13 years now.
     
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    So, you use registered voters for your statistics. How many of those registered voters actually vote? Also, you do know that many places, like Florida for instance, has hundreds of registered voters that are not legally allowed to vote? LINK: Fact check: Have non-citizens voted in recent Florida elections? Do you take into account those that are not registered but may decide to vote in the next election? Do you take any of this into account when making your spreadsheet?

    Your spreadsheet has flaws.

    As for Gallup, do you have any evidence that they are doing so now? If not then you have nothing. Out of curiosity...do you discard any site that has done something wrong? Or just particular ones? For instance do you trust CNN? MSNBC? VOX?
     
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    Why I wonder, the American blacks cling to the Democratic party? After all, it was Democrats who kept them slaves, and it was Republicans who believed blacks were entitled to the same political rights and opportunities as whites. and fought for them.

    I know why. Do you?
     
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    I STAND CORRECTED! { SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE IMPEACHED}.....She still is a brain muted, Muslim, { key word}....*radical, that has no place in a Constitutionally driven Government! Jew, & American hater, from a 98% Muslim community! { WE ARE:} A Government of impartial, & decent people, that do the best they can to impart "impartial justice".....not like her "ilk, that disrespects women, be-heads their foes, does just about everything Heinous, & sub human! { dump the broad!}
     
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    No. The spreadsheet does not have flaws. But your logic has more holes in it than the finest of swiss chees.

    Let's bypass your silliness and cut to the chase with this: it doesn't matter if more US citizens age 18 want to vote or not until they are registered to vote. Annnd, whether or not a currently registered voter has voted in the last cycle or not is none of my business -and none of yours-. It's called LIBERTY, btw. The stats will show themselves on election night, as always. But one thing is 100% for sure: he who does not register cannot vote. And it doesn't mean diddlysquat to base your "statistics" on non-voters, for non-voters are not going to influence the future via elections. However, voters will.
     
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    Ok, I just read that drivel.

    Soooo, uhm, bye-bye.
     
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    These posts are difficult to read and full of bigoted beliefs. Welcome to ignore.
     
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    You are essentially delving into the "Likely Voter" vs "Registered Voter" divide for polling data. Both have merits, but it is very difficult to justifiably argue that one person's polling data on the political affiliation of the United States is wrong because another pollster reached a different result.
     
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