About the Holocaust

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  1. pitbull

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    Please excuse my late reply. I overlooked that you still wrote here ...

    Heinrich Himmler was commissioned to carry out the Holocaust. It was up to him when, how and where to exterminate Jews. It should only be as many as possible in a short time. And Himmler was an exemplary servant to his master.

    I think that would have been considered an accident. Without further consequences for the responsible person.

    The Nazis did not have enough time to murder all of the camp inmates. They also didn't have enough time to cover up all traces of their crime.

    Because this is his opinion. I agree with him.


    I don't think so. Hitler knew that he is committing such a serious crime for which the world would never forgive him.

    Btw, on 16 September 1919, Hitler wrote his first antisemitic manifesto:
    From this text, we can see what picture Hitler had in his sick brain of the Jews.
    The Holocaust was the inevitable consequence of this. :(
     
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    Please don't worry about a "late reply" since I imagine that you, too have been especially busy with seasonal celebrations.
    I hope that you are also enjoying the holidays.

    Re:
    Have you ever noticed that when someone tells a story over and over again but the details change with each telling that the story becomes less credible each time? Well, the holocaust story is precisely like that:
    First, Hitler was responsible for the execution of 6 million Jews but, now that no order has been found to support that fable, it's suddenly Himmler who is responsible for the execution of Europe's Jewish community even though there's no written order from Himmler to exterminate Europe's Jews either.
    I don't doubt that Himmler ordered executions of Bolsheviks, Jewish communists, partisans etc but nowhere did he or Hitler order the destruction of all of Europe's Jews in some sort of verbal order that was a secret code within a code.

    Any such monumental, extermination order would have to have been written but after decades of looking, nothing has been found in the hundreds of tons of Nazi documents.
    Stalin was comfortable enough to issue written mass execution orders so why wouldn't Hitler or Himmler if such was their intent

    If anything, Himmler tried to reduce the typhus related deaths(1) and operate the camps in a humane manner(2)

    Earlier the Holocaust - Hollywood consortium lied about "human skin lampshades", "human skin pocketbooks", "human fat soap", homicidal steam chambers, human vaporizers, "Conveyor Belts of Death" and other deliberate and outrageous frauds with the intent to deceive.
    Why believe anything claimed by a fraudulent, profit seeking Holocaust Industry that has proven itself to be entirely untrustworthy?

    If Hitler - Himmler wanted to kill all of Europe's Jews, why were there Jewish members of the Nazi party & 150,000 Jews serving in Hitler's military with many rising to the highest ranks and receiving Germany's highest military honors(3)?



    (1) "In order to put a stop to the epidemics, we were forced to burn the bodies of incalculable numbers of people who had been destroyed by disease. We were therefore forced to build crematoria, and on this account they are knotting a noose for us."

    Heinrich Himmler


    21 April 1945

    Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution, 2nd ed., Vallentine, Mitchell, London, 1968, p. 521. AlsoMoment (Jewish monthly published in Boston), vol. 11, no. 1, Dec. 1985, p. 51.


    (2) "THE FACT SPIELBERG SUPPRESSED IN SCHINDLER'S LIST: The Commandant of Krakau-Plaszow (Amon Goeth) Was Arrested by the SS for Brutality against Inmates"
    https://www.revisionisthistory.org/revisionist6.html

    EXCERPT "This vital, exculpatory information has been censored by Spielberg in order to maintain his propaganda depiction of the German military in the worst possible light.

    The fact that the SS, under orders from Heinrich Himmler, attempted to operate the concentration camps (KZ) in a humane manner, in part by prosecuting, jailing and even executing brutal Nazi concentration camp personnel, has been nearly completely suppressed in much of the discussion of the history of World War Two.

    One of the key officers who was instrumental in Himmler's campaign to attempt to ensure the human rights of KZ inmates, was the heroic and incorruptible SS Judge Konrad Morgen."CONTINUED


    (3) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED
     
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    Hitler had absolute power. Like every dictator, he delegated his wishes to his paladins. Himmler was one of them. Hitler ordered Himmler to become the chief architect of the Holocaust. And for his part, Himmler assigned certain tasks to his subordinates, such as Hoess. The whole Nazi system was strictly hierarchical structured.

    Hitler had no problem to order a "general death sentence" for all Bolshevist leaders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissar_Order
    But he found it difficult to wipe out an entire people because this would seriously damage his reputation forever. That's why he tried to keep the Holocaust as secret as possible.
     
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    Re:
    Why has not a single written order been found by which either Hitler or Himmler ordered the destruction of all Europe's Jews?
    It would be impossible to establish and widely communicate an extensive genocidal agenda on a "systematic and industrial" scale without leaving a significant paper trail but yet there is not one single document from Hitler or Himmler ordering the destruction of all Europe's Jews
    Meanwhile, in every mass killing before, during and since there has been an extensive paper trail calling for the destruction of the target population. Why would the Holocaust be the only one without written orders for the destruction of the target population?

    If Hitler, Himmler etc really wanted to destroy all of Europe's Jews, they would not have allowed them to serve in Germany's military, promoted many to the highest ranks with entire armies under their control and awarded many Jews Germany's highest military honors(1)

    Re:
    It would have been impossible to keep the mass killing of Europe's Jews secret in any way because the British cracked the German "Enigma"(2) code and the Allies conducted extensive air reconnaissance over most all of the camps. Neither showed any evidence of mass killings in the "systematic and industrial scale" claimed by the Holocaust - Hollywood consortium that has spent 80 years and $ Billions cheating and deceiving people.



    (1) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED



    (2) “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE”
    https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

    EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED
     
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    There exists a letter from Herman Göring (one of Hitler's closest servants) to Heydrich (chief of "Reich Main Security Office", RSHA, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reich_Main_Security_Office)
    where he was ordered to start the Holocaust.
    Heydrich then invited important Nazi officers to the Wannsee Conference, where they developed a plan on how to eradicate the Jews of Europe.
    [​IMG]

    It didn't work either, but they tried.
    Of course, today's Holocaust deniers benefit from the Nazi efforts to cover up the Holocaust. :(
     
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    I can't let this lying story stand here unchallenged!

    "Auswanderung oder Evakuierung" don't mean killing, but emigration and evacuating.

    And why the wrong spelling of "Jn, Jhnen and Jch"? All three words should be spelled with a capital I, not J! Could the document be a fake?

    Through searching around a bit on the internet I found a pdf version of the book:

    THE MYTH OF THE WANNSEE CONFERENCE, By Francis Dupont
    A Study of the Wannsee Conference Minutes

    The Wannsee Conference was a discussion about the mechanics of moving certain groups of Jews to the East, and never mentioned mass murder in any form.

    There is no justification for alleging that the Wannsee Conference was a "master plan for mass murder" and the Western media, Holocaust institutions and reference books are simply lying. This lie becomes even more sinister when it is considered that no-one who actually reads the Wannsee Protocol, could come to any other conclusion except that outlined above. To suggest that the Wannsee Conference was anything else, shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that those propagating this lie, do so shamelessly, in direct contradiction of the facts, to try and prop up the rest of the Holocaust fabrication.

    4.5 Million Jews under direct German control – yet 4.3 million claim compensation.

    It is not intended to evacuate Jews over 65 years old,
    but to send them to an old-age ghetto—Theresienstadt is being considered for this purpose.

    ”No Jewish World War I Veterans to be Evacuated East.


    ”No Jews Working in “Vital Industries” to be Evacuated


    https://archive.org/details/TheMythOfTheWannseeConferenceFDupontUpload

    Please, take the time and educate yourself by reading the full text. It is such a vital anchor in the sea of mis- and disinformation about Germany's "war crimes"!!

    For me this booklet is another puzzle piece in the big picture called "WWII".
     
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    Re:
    Earlier you claimed that Hitler was responsible for the holocaust however no written order exists from Hitler calling for the destruction of Europe's Jews. Next, you claim that Himmler was told by Hitler to destroy Europe's Jews but there is no evidence for that either.
    Now, you are claiming that Göring told Heydrich to start the Holocaust but that letter, too, makes no mention of the extermination of all Europe's Jews either; only "deportations", "transfers" etc.
    It's simply becoming more & more evident that neither you nor anyone else can find any written order, anywhere, that calls for the extermination of Europe's Jews as per the holocaust myth.

    The notion that the Wannsee Conference laid out plans for the destruction of Europe's Jews, too, has been rejected even by mainstream holocaust historian, Yehuda Bauer & others:

    "The Wannsee Conference: Another Lie Crushed"
    http://barnesreview.org/the-wannsee-conference-another-lie-crushed/

    EXCERPT "The actual minutes of the Wannsee Conference can be read in their entirety—in the original German here,

    In reality, the Wannsee meeting and its minutes do not contain a master plan to kill Jews;

    – Nowhere in the meeting’s minutes is genocide discussed, planned, proposed, or even suggested;

    – The Wannsee meeting never discussed gas chambers, shootings, or any of the fantasies propagated by the exterminationists;

    – The Wannsee Minutes reported that there were only 4.5 million Jews under German control (yet 4.3 million Jewish compensation claims have been lodged against the postwar German government);

    – The Wannsee meeting was a planning meeting on how Europe’s Jews should be deported, via transit camps, to the East; with able-bodied Jews being forced to build roads and other labor intensive tasks in those regions;

    – The Wannsee Conference also made allowance for specific exceptions to Jewish evacuation, such as Jewish German World War I veterans; ALL Jews over the age of 65; and ALL Jews working in industries vital to the German war effort, to be released from the threat of evacuation and be allowed to stay in Germany.

    There is therefore, no justification for the allegation that the Wannsee Conference was a ‘master plan for mass murder’ and everyone who claims this to be the case, from Netanyahu down, is simply lying.

    That the Wannsee Conference never discussed killing Jews in any way, has actually been confirmed in public by Yehuda Bauer, professor of Holocaust Studies at the Avraham Harman Institute of Contemporary Jewry at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

    Bauer is also the founding editor of the journal Holocaust and Genocide Studies, and a member of the editorial board of the Encyclopaedia of the Holocaust, published by Yad Vashem in 1990.

    He is not, therefore, as some Holocaust storytellers claim, some obscure figure, but a leading and major—in fact, one of the most senior—Jews promoting the Holocaust fable.

    As long ago as 1992(!), Bauer, speaking at a conference held in London to mark the fiftieth anniversary of the Wannsee meeting, told the audience that the claim that Wannsee was a “master plan” to kill Jews was nothing a but a “silly story.”

    Bauer’s remarks were reported in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency of January 23, 1992, and the Canadian Jewish Times of January 30, 1992."CONTINUED


    At some point, you must ask yourself why so much you have been told by the Hollywood - Holocaust Industry consortium has been unsupportable falsehoods, residual Allied propaganda and profit driven myths contrived by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry (1).
    If an organization is so dishonest as to cheat their own holocaust survivors, it is certainly willing to fabricate & promote more outrageous lies to deceive others and generate more money for high ranking Holocaust Industry CEOs and other well paid holocaust hucksters.

    Thanks,


    (1) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.”CONTINUED
     
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    You may speak the German language, but you do not know the Nazi code language. And please don't forget the Nazis' efforts to keep the Holocaust as secret as possible.
     
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    This is called division of labor and delegation of certain tasks to suitable persons.

    Think of Hitler as the head of a large corporation.

    Himmler, Goering, and Heydrich were managers who were directly subordinate to Hitler. Heydrich was head of the administration called RSHA, while Himmler was head of the paramilitary troops called SS, which had to carry out the physical genocide of the Jews.

    One level below was Hoess (subordinate of Himmler) and Eichmann (subordinate of Heydrich), and so on.

    This is the reason why the Holocaust is often compared to a large scale industrial complex. Many thousands of "employees" were needed for this. This made the Holocaust unique, not the number of victims or the methods of killing.
     
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    I don't doubt that Nazi Germany had what is called a "Chain of Command" like every other country during WW 2 but, still, there is no written order anywhere to be found that Hitler, Himmler, Goering etc ever ordered the destruction of Europe's Jews, Roma, Gays etc.
    Without such a written order, there is no hard evidence that the Holocaust happened as you've been led to believe by entities that have already been proven to be fraudulent, profit seeking (1) and dishonest.

    You've mentioned several times that the Nazis wanted to keep the holocaust as secret as possible but if that were the case, they would not have voluntarily released hundreds of thousands or millions of former inmates as witnesses from any of the alleged "death camps".
    Please remember that immediately after the war the Vatican and the Red Cross interviewed thousands of these former inmates and not one of them mentioned anything about homicidal gas chambers, "Conveyor Belts of Death", homicidal steam chambers or other fabrications of the fraudulent multi billion dollar Holocaust Industry(2)

    While Hollywood myth makers, MSM and the fraudulent Holocaust Industry spotlight dishonest individuals who regurgitate residual Allied propaganda (aka "eyewitnesses"), they try to silence truthful eyewitnesses whose testimony conflicts with the SHN (standard holocaust narrative)(3)

    Again, why would you believe anything claimed by a fraudulent, multi-billion dollar Holocaust Industry that is so grossly dishonest that it cheats Jewish WW 2 survivors? (4)




    (1) "Holocaust Survivors' Children Sue Germany for Therapy Fees"
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.4952800

    EXCERPT "Suit, filed in Tel Aviv, seeks funds to pay for biweekly therapy sessions for up to 20,000 affected by the scars of their parents.

    The lawsuit marks the very first time that the German government will be asked to take responsibility and to care for those of the second generation in Israel and indeed, worldwide, attorney Gideon Fisher said before filing the suit at the Tel Aviv District Court."CONTINUED


    (2) "A Factual Appraisal Of The 'Holocaust' By The Red Cross

    The Jews And The Concentration Camps:No Evidence Of Genocide"
    http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054

    EXCERPT "In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend. " CONTINUED


    (3) "Auschwitz Was NOT a 'Death Camp' - Holocaust Survivor Testimony"

    https://archive.org/details/AuschwitzWasNotAdeathCamp-HolocaustSurvivorTestimony

    EXCERPT "Investigations of physical evidence and original documentation, however, have cast doubts on the Holocaust narrative that has been formed. For example, areas claimed to be mass graves, have been found with modern investigative technology to contain no human remains. Testimonies of accused perpetrators show evidence of outright fabrication, or were obtained through torture. Many of the supposed eyewitnesses have provided stories riddled by inconsistencies, describe physically impossible events, or were even total frauds who were never actually in the camps." CONTINUED


    (4) "15 months after reparations paid, Holocaust survivors have yet to see money"
    http://touch.sun-sentinel.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-86151111/


    EXCERPT "It was touted as a historic moment, when survivors would finally be compensated for a French railroad's role in the Holocaust."CONTINUED
     
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    • There's lots of written evidence down to blueprints for the gas chambers and crematoriums.

    • There exist written orders and delivery notes of Zyklon B for gassing Jews.

    • There were legal proceedings regarding Auschwitz and the "Einsatzgruppen" (killing task forces) that prove the Holocaust.

    • Timetables of the Reichsbahn, regarding the transportation of Jews to the extermination camps, are almost completely preserved.

    • Sound documents of Nazi criminals like Hitler and Himmler have been preserved, in which they clearly express their contempt for Jewish human beings.


    • A nearly infinite number of statements by contemporary people, some of whom are still living.
    As a Holocaust denier, you have to ignore all of this or declare it fake. :(
     
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    I'll respond to your assertions in the order in which you wrote them.

    1. There's not one single blueprint anywhere for a German, WW 2 era homicidal gas chamber. There are several blueprints and remains of delousing gas chambers for old clothes, mattresses, blankets etc. Crematoriums, as you know exist around the world and are not proof of mass murder.

    2. It's no secret that the Germans used Zyklon B for delousing purposes but there have never been homicidal gas chambers in any of the German run camps. Zyklon B was even delivered to camps in which no gassings are claimed to have happened. The same amount of Zyklon B was delivered, per person, to the camps in which homicidal gas chambers were supposed to exist as was delivered to camps in which no homicidal gas chambers were claimed to exist.
    In other words, Auschwitz received the same amount of Zyklon B, per inmate, as Oranienburg where no gassings were claimed to have happened.
    Why?

    3. I hope you don't consider the widely condemned Nuremberg lynchings to be legitimate trials because Eisenhower's more ethical brother was among the many who were disgusted with them (1)

    4. Transportation timetables, too are not proof of mass murder. They only prove that inmates were transferred to and from the various camps.
    For example:
    "Treblinka was No Extermination Camp - Just Transit Station"



    EXCERPT "Treblinka was No Extermination Camp - Just Transit Station- a video proving the Holocaust propaganda is full of lies and the reason behind not letting people in Europe studying it"CONTINUED

    5. Expressing contempt for Jews, Bolsheviks, the Roma also is hardly proof of some grand conspiracy theory to exterminate all Jews.


    6. As I've cited many times, countless people who were former inmates refute the innumerable lies told by holocaust hoaxers:

    "Could there be anything more twisted than these Holocaust fantasists? How more and more people are making up memoirs about witnessing Nazi crimes"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...le-making-memoirs-witnessing-Nazi-crimes.html





    (1) "President Eisenhower’s Brother, An Attorney, Condemned The Nuremberg & Eichmann Trials"

    http://www.renegadetribune.com/president-eisenhowers-brother-attorney-condemned-nuremberg-eichmann-trials/

    QUOTE:

    "I think the Nuremberg trials are a black page in the history of the world…I discussed the legality of these trials with some of the lawyers and some of the judges who participated therein. They did not attempt to justify their action on any legal ground, but rested their position on the fact that in their opinion, the parties convicted were guilty…"

    Edgar N. Eisenhower, American attorney: Brother of President Dwight D. Eisenhower
     
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    Do you know the code language? If so, please, give us at least a few examples.

    Thies Christophersen, a wounded German soldier spent several years at the Auschwitz concentration complex. He observed no killings whatsoever.
    Read here:
    http://whale.to/b/christophersen_h.html
     
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    Here are some examples: https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/auschwitz_architecture/overview.asp

    Nice try.
     
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    That's the wrong website, it contains not one example of code words to hide the gassings. Please, try again.
    Try for what?
    I should finally get it into my head... it is useless to argue.

    From a German article I translated this remark from a lawyer:

    To lawyer Göbel, a specialist in 'gas chamber trials', a judge spoke quite frankly:
    "You don't really think they are going to allow your evidence to be presented, do you? You must know that there is a political precept. This precept requires that even those who only doubt the gas chambers, be brought to justice and must be tried. You will never get away with it."

    Gegenüber Rechtsanwalt Göbel, einem Spezialisten in 'Gaskammer-Prozessen', äußerte sich ein Richter recht freimütig...
    »Sie glauben doch nicht etwa, daß man Ihre Beweisanträge zuläßt. Sie müssen doch wissen, daß es eine politische Vorgabe gibt. Diese Vorgabe verlangt, daß alleine schon jene, die an den Gaskammern nur zweifeln, vor Gericht gestellt werden und abgeurteilt werden müssen. Sie werden nie damit durchkommen.«

    http://www.vho.org/D/Beitraege/Zeit.html

    And so it is, the Holocaust history can never be changed, no matter how many proofs of the contrary are brought forward, it stays as is.
     
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    Neither the Hasbara infected Wikipedia nor another fraudulent holocaust theme park (Yad Vashem) are credible sources for anything relating to Israel or the holocaust since Israel's Hasbara employees are paid and trained to edit Wikipedia(1), (2), (3) and the Holocaust Industry lost any credibility with being caught perpetrating any number of deliberate deceptions I have listed earlier in this thread.

    Whatever "gas chamber" drawings these holocaust theme parks may have are either of deliberately mislabeled delousing facilities or complete forgeries.(*)

    I stated earlier that all the German camps received the same amount of Zyklon B per inmate regardless of it being named as a "death camp" or simple work camp. For example, Auschwitz received the same amount of Zyklon B, per inmate, as Oranienburg where no gassings were claimed to have happened.
    If hundreds of thousands of people were really being gassed to death at Auschwitz, why didn't Auschwitz receive much more Zyklon B per inmate than Oranienburg where no one is claimed to have been gassed?

    Additionally, Dr. Charles Larson was among the Western Dr.s who performed autopsies on corpses at the so called "death camps" however he did not find even one death by gassing(4).
    The same source states:

    EXCERPT " Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day.

    Despite noisily publicised claims and widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has ever been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps." CONTINUED

    The truth about the holocaust myth is out there but you're not going to find that truth from the same fraudulent, profit driven Holocaust Industry whose history of hoaxes and deceptions exceeds all others.


    (*) "Auschwitz Expert: Blueprints Found in Berlin Not of Death Camp"
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.5056721
    EXCERPT "Van Pelt suggested the plans might be fakes, motivated by the lucrative market in Nazi memorabilia and documents."CONTINUED


    (1) "How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet"
    https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-partisans-work-censor-internet/

    Campaign to infiltrate Wikipedia

    EXCERPT "CAMERA called for volunteers to secretly work on editing Wikipedia entries. It emphasized the importance of keeping the project secret. Volunteers were schooled in ways to elude detection. After they signed up as editors, they were to “avoid editing Israel-related articles for a short period of time.” CONTINUED


    (2) "Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY


    (3) "The right's latest weapon: 'Zionist editing' on Wikipedia" Haaretz"

    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2010/08/the-rights-latest-weapon-zionist-editing-on-wikipedia-haaretz.html

    EXCERPT"Now the Yesha Council of settlements and another right-wing group, Israel Sheli, are embarking on a Wikipedia battle: Zionist editing on the Web-based encyclopedia.

    The course was designed to teach how to register for, contribute to and edit for Wikipedia."CONTINUED


    (4) "Allied Forensic Autopsies Confirm Disease, Not Gas"
    https://20thcenturytruth.wordpress.com/allied-forensic-autopsies-confirm-disease-not-gas/
    EXCERPT "Medical Doctors who entered camps affirm; No-one was deliberately murdered by Germans – Death was from disease and starvation only" CONTINUED
     
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    In other words, you can't refute a word I've written and supported because your fragile, standard holocaust narrative (SHN) cannot stand up to the truth.

    By the way, I don't deny what happened. I simply reject what did not happen.

    Among the reasons I and so many others support this forum is because it allows the same freedom of speech as is guaranteed by our treasured 1st Amendment.

    As you have clearly demonstrated your hostility to our 1st Amendment and are completely unable to engage in mature & civil debate, I strongly encourage you to follow up on your promise to terminate your account and find an echo chamber to your suiting.
     
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    This wasn't a judge. This wrote the Holocaust denier "Gerard Menuhin" in his shameful book:
    https://logr.org/selbstschutz/files/2016/08/Wahrheit_sagen_Teufel_jagen.pdf

    Btw, I think it's good that HC deniers are punished. This saved the world from understanding the British professional liar "David Irving" as a serious historian. See Irving vs. Lipstadt trial in London. His career ended right after that trial.

    Holocaust deniers invest huge amounts of criminal energy in their efforts to falsify history. And you are unfortunately one of their victims. :(

    I'm sorry. I meant this: https://www.ushmm.org/collections/bibliography/nazi-language-and-terminology
     
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    Wikipedia is not error-free, but it is a good source for beginners on scientific topics such as history and math. Neo-Nazis want to make the Holocaust a purely political issue, but it isn't.

    This is your personal SHDN (standard holocaust denier's narrative). For you and your fellow HC deniers, the HC is nothing else than a (Jewish?) business to make money from horror.
     
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    I feel that it is important that I clarify that I do not deny that the Holocaust happened in that some Jews, Roma, Jewish Bolsheviks, Communists etc were arrested, persecuted & in some cases, executed. Therefore, applying the artificially contrived epithet of "Holocaust denier" to me and others who subscribe to the Revisionist position is at least inaccurate & misleading.

    I emphasize that some Jews etc were persecuted & interred in work camps because, contrary to the standard holocaust narrative (SHN), many Jews etc were not persecuted and, in fact, were members of the Nazi party themselves while about 150,000 served in Hitler's military with the full knowledge and approval of the Nazi High Command.(1)
    It is also a fact that many of these same Jews rose to the highest ranks and received Germany's highest military awards also with the full knowledge and approval of the Nazi High Command.

    The fraudulent SHN is that all Jews etc were persecuted and/or rounded up, incarcerated, "gassed" in non existent homicidal gas chambers etc.

    My question to you is why would the Nazi government train, arm, honor and put so many Jews in positions of high command with the full approval of the Nazi government if all Jews were supposed to have been rounded up, persecuted, etc. as per the SHN?




    (1) “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED



    (2) "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?"
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102

    EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis.

    The important thing to realize is that had the Nazis been as racist as most historians have argued, then they could not possibly have garnered the immeasurable level of support that they did. Even after Stalingrad; Spaniards, Slavs, Franks, and tens of- thousands of other non-Germans continued to fight for the Nazis on a volunteer basis."CONTINUED
     
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    This is not how "Holocaust" is defined. The Holocaust in this context is a deliberate, planned and based on work-sharing extermination of Jews using industrial methods.

    Almost all HC deniers believe that only a few Jews were tortured and killed by criminals against the orders of the Nazi regime. This is exactly what makes them Holocaust deniers. They reject the big picture.

    There weren't "so many," but apparently they were capable people who were useful to the Nazis.

    After the end of WW2, some old Nazis were reinstated in important positions to get Germany running again. For the same reason. One couldn't easily get a replacement.
     
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    It seems like you're contradicting yourself.

    The SHN (standard holocaust narrative) is that all Jews were persecuted simply because they were Jewish. If any Jews were knowingly not only spared but publicly honored and placed in high ranking positions either in Hitler's government or Hitler's military then, the basic premise of the basic SHN is false.

    If the Nazis were determined to destroy Europe's entire Jewish community simply because they were Jewish, they would not have allowed even one Jew to serve in Hitler's military and certainly not have publicly and knowingly honored many other Jews or placed some Jews in positions of such high command over entire divisions.

    Why would so many Jewish individuals fight to preserve a government that is "systematically" destroying their own kin on an "industrial scale"?

    By the way, if Hitler had such a virulent hatred toward all Jewish individuals, why did he allow 150,000 Jews to serve in his military, spare so many Jewish physicians (1), other Jewish individuals with whom he served in WW 1 and maintain a friendship with little Rosa Nienau(2) with whom he shared the same birthday?

    Thanks,



    (1) Hitler’s Jewish Physicians
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4128594/


    (2) "Remarkable tale of Hitler's young Jewish friend"
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46192941
     
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    For the Nazis, Jews were a dangerous anti-race, opponents of the "Aryans" and seeking for world leadership. The Nazis believed they had to exterminate the Jews before the Jews doing the same to them.

    The Nazi worldview was strictly biological, like that of an animal breeder. They believed that a huge Aryan people's body could neutralize a small amount of Jewish genes.

    They weren't Jews anymore. Many of them converted to Christianity. However, they didn't know that in case of doubt this does not help them.
    For the Nazis, only descent ultimately counted. :(
     
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    Where does this number come from?
     

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