Australia arrests 183 for setting bushfires that celebrities claim were caused by climate change

Discussion in 'Australia, NZ, Pacific' started by ArchStanton, Jan 7, 2020.

  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2010
    Messages:
    53,507
    Likes Received:
    18,170
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Some were set by arson and the others... Combusting koala? Lightening?
     
  2. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yeah, lightening, or else accidental human actions.
     
  3. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    All of the arson arrests were arson arrests. And there were 200 during 2019. You can either accept that FACT or not. Again, this doesn't mean that arson is the main reason for the fires.
     
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2020
  4. 557

    557 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2018
    Messages:
    17,530
    Likes Received:
    9,905
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I describe a condition. You say I’m right, but demonstrate I am by describing a completely different condition. I nominate this post for ironic post of the week, beating out some very stiff competition. :)
     
  5. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2017
    Messages:
    10,675
    Likes Received:
    8,945
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Again, no sensible person is saying that climate change is the reason for fires starting. Likewise, no sensible person should suggest that dryer conditions aren't responsible for the fire season being longer and more severe.
    Let's say your 200 figure is correct. Have you researched how many fires there were in total over the whole year?
    How about the size of fires started deliberately compared to those started in other ways.
    Is it possible that the arson is being blown out of all proportion in order to discredit the role climate change is having in the severity of bushfires.
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  6. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Well not everyone is a sensible person are they.

    The question is whether it is AGW specifically which is causing the dryer conditions.

    No, I haven't.

    Absolutely it's possible.
     
  7. 557

    557 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2018
    Messages:
    17,530
    Likes Received:
    9,905
    Trophy Points:
    113
    “What you see and what you hear depends a great deal on where you are standing. It also depends on what sort of person you are.”
    ― C.S. Lewis

    “All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.”
    ― Friedrich Nietzsche


    “I believe I am in Hell, therefore I am.”
    ― Arthur Rimbaud

    “The optimist sees the doughnut, the pessimist sees the hole.”
    ― McLandburgh Wilson

    “Always focus on the front windshield and not the review mirror.”
    ― Colin Powell
     
  8. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2017
    Messages:
    41,176
    Likes Received:
    4,365
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Good to see that you can speak for yourself.
     
  9. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2017
    Messages:
    10,675
    Likes Received:
    8,945
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Absolutely, yet here we are after 46 pages still debating whether ''Arson is responsible for bushfires that celebrities claim were caused by climate change''
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  10. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2015
    Messages:
    53,429
    Likes Received:
    25,379
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Evidence

    1. Arson happened
    2. The fires were used to promote the man made global warming theory
    3. The man made global warming theory is promoted by the education system.
    4. A significant part of the population now believes that the survival of the planet is at stake
    5. Political leaders promote irrational doomsday thinking

    "Campaigning for president in Mason City, Iowa on Friday, Sen. Cory Booker talked about why he supports the Green New Deal plan put forward by Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Ed Markey.

    The first question I was asked in Iowa was about #GreenNewDeal. The hard truth is climate change has imperiled our planet—it’s going to take bold action now to save it..."

    "When the planet has been in peril in the past, who came forward to save Earth from the scourge of Nazism and totalitarian regimes? We came forward!"
    REAL CLEAR POLITICS, Cory Booker: Green New Deal Is "Bold," Like Defeating The Nazis Or Going To The Moon, By Tim Hains, February 8, 2019.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...defeating_the_nazis_or_going_to_the_moon.html
     
    Red Lily likes this.
  11. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,424
    Likes Received:
    73,893
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    I have refuted this numerous times with links whereas you have provided little evidence apart from one picture which was not backed by the text within the article it linked to
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  12. 557

    557 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2018
    Messages:
    17,530
    Likes Received:
    9,905
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I have spoken for myself. My objective is to get you and others to think for yourselves.
     
  13. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,424
    Likes Received:
    73,893
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    No, they were NOT “used to promote global warming theory”

    Truth is Ross Garnaut predicted that we would have catastrophic bushfires by 2020. That is not promoting a theory that is living to see a theoretical prediction being validated
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  14. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,424
    Likes Received:
    73,893
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Says someone who I have guarantee has not read the IPCC reports
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  15. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,424
    Likes Received:
    73,893
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    3EC51537-2EBE-4DA9-B8B8-D12C5E79964F.jpeg
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  16. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,424
    Likes Received:
    73,893
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    Where I nominate yours for confabulation of the year
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  17. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2015
    Messages:
    53,429
    Likes Received:
    25,379
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why would any man made global warming activist draw the line at arson if they believed arson would advance their cause and help save the planet?

    "Our planet is in peril and we need to be bold," Booker said about the proposed climate change agenda. "There are a lot of people out there pushing back against the Green New Deal, saying it is impractical, it is too expensive, it is all of this. If we used to govern our dreams that way, we would have never gone to the Moon. God, that's impractical. That ball in the sky? That's impractical."
    REAL CLEAR POLITICS, Cory Booker: Green New Deal Is "Bold," Like Defeating The Nazis Or Going To The Moon, By Tim Hains, February 8, 2019.
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...defeating_the_nazis_or_going_to_the_moon.html
     
    drluggit likes this.
  18. 557

    557 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2018
    Messages:
    17,530
    Likes Received:
    9,905
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Again you are mistaken.
     
  19. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    31,045
    Likes Received:
    28,512
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What you should have said was that drought conditions enhance fire dangers and damage potentials. Droughts in and of themselves don't start or create fires. So if you have drought in conjunction with arson, golly... whatever will happen next?
     
  20. 557

    557 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2018
    Messages:
    17,530
    Likes Received:
    9,905
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Please point out the lies. Be specific. You are not the first to call me a liar without evidence, but I’m disappointed. I expected better of you.
     
  21. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    31,045
    Likes Received:
    28,512
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So, clarify something for me. Do you believe that there is a scientifically supported way to anthropogenically cool the planet?
     
  22. 557

    557 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2018
    Messages:
    17,530
    Likes Received:
    9,905
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Would you like to dispute with facts anything I’ve said? Or counter any of it philosophically?
     
  23. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,424
    Likes Received:
    73,893
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    No they were not

    Even social media misleading headlines read “bushfire related charges”

    NOT repeat NOT arson arrests and you have no validation for what you are claiming so I will ignore further posts
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.
  24. Montegriffo

    Montegriffo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2017
    Messages:
    10,675
    Likes Received:
    8,945
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Have you read the links provided by those who have?
     
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2020
    Bowerbird likes this.
  25. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    92,424
    Likes Received:
    73,893
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    If there is a “fact” in what you have posted it is crying from loneliness
     
    Derideo_Te likes this.

Share This Page