Russian state banks underwrote trump loans

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  1. Jimbo11

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    https://forensicnews.net/2020/01/03...sian-state-owned-bank-whistleblower-told-fbi/

    Face it...Putin owns the Liar in Chief. trump has been bought by Putin and his band of murderers. All the while...trump sheep walk along with their eyes closed to the gradual take down of the US as a Democracy. Between trump and Brexit, Putin expects major democracies to be gone by 2024. Then the trump kingdom will state their allegiance to Russia.
     
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    Leaving aside the link posted that I'm not going to click on when posted by the likes of you, how many banks do you suppose Trump has borrowed money from over the years? Each individual real estate project can involve several tiers of financing from several different banks, and Trump has been involved in hundreds of real estate and other projects. Yet somehow a Russian bank "owns" Trump due to one or a few loans? This is like saying Wells Fargo "owns" me because one of the several houses I've bought and sold over the years had a Wells Fargo mortgage.

    As to the hilariously zany latter part of the post, how EXACTLY is the Trump Administration contributing to the "gradual take down of the US as a Democracy?" (The US, btw is not and has never been ANY form or hybrid of a Democracy, our governing form is Constitutional Republic, mutually exclusive with "Democracy"). How is Brexit supposed to bring down the government of the UK?

    Or is the OP just more hissy fit because the Left is getting its ass whooped in the West these days?
     
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    Pretty interesting story. Mueller never looked in to Trump's financial ties to Russia as he felt it was beyond the scope of his mandate. The Trump/Deutsche Bank connection is well known but not well understood.
     
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    Having foreign loans opens up any President to external foreign pressure. Trump admits himself that just having his property in Istanbul presents a conflict of interest.

    Now Trump supporters - close your eyes for a second ...

    Imagine if Republicans had found out that Obama had loans originating in Saudi Arabia or Nigeria.

    Now do you understand why people might be bothered by where Trump’s debt is held.
     
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    Trump is owned by the Russian oligarchy.
     
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    This was known before the 2016 election. How did you miss that tidbit three years ago? I suspect that fact, and the Russians, caused 3+ million people to change their vote from Trump to Hillary.
     
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    Depends on whether they are current or paid off and the terms.
     
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    Not a reliable source. Forensic News is clearly biased. Just look at what they have reported.
     
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    Well, when the nonleft found out that Obama sent hundreds of millions of government work to a publisher and then got a $65 million dollar "book deal" from a subsidiary of that publisher in return, we of the anti left were mightily annoyed. That graft money, unlike loans, doesn't have to be paid back and is -obvious- graft though. Crickets chirped from everywhere else, wonder why? Because a ton of them engage in the crooked media/politics/influence money laundering scheme of book deals and speaking fees? Trump made millions in speaking fees too, speaking to packed stadiums at Learning Annex hype events over the years. But that was for legitimate value regardless of what one thinks of The Learning Annex. Trump was worth every penny as the results of those events on Learning Annex revenues and growth proved at the time. No idea where or what that company is today and don't care.

    If Trump got a sweetheart loan today at below market rates that never has to be repaid and is linked causally to quid pro quo just like all the other crooks in D.C.? Lock him the F up... at the same time all the others are locked up. Just the existence of loans to a private sector international real estate tycoon over the years from any bank? Meh. No hint of illegality or impropriety without much more.
     
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    Some entity had to underwrite his loans at the time.

    Trump’s M.O. was to use his business as a personal piggy bank: invest little, shift personal debt to, run up exorbitant personal costs in salary, bonuses, and other payments. Leaving the business unable to generate enough revenue to cover costs. File Chapter 11 and leave investors that bet on his business acumen holding the bag. Rinse and repeat a half dozen times. That doesn’t include his entities that the government shut down for the same malfeasance.

    To be kind that would be a reckless businessman with an inability to manage money but it has occurred so many times we should be beyond being kind about his behavior.

    At the time of these loans people in the U.S. had finally figured out Trump. He was toxic. So some entity underwrote these loans. Who? I haven’t a clue.

    All I know for certain is we should know.
     
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    First glaring problem with the above is that Trump only used Chapter 11 ~5 times out of hundreds of Trump's business entities.

    Second problem is the typical layman parroting of "use his business as a personal piggy bank," a claim I'll wager you don't understand and can't explain to any degree of specificity to the forum. The "invest little, shift personal debt to, run up exorbitant personal costs..." doesn't quite cut it among knowledgeable practitioners.

    Third problem is that Trump and his companies have been subject to some of the harshest real estate, business and financial regulatory regimes in the world for decades and at several levels including federal. So where's the beef?
     
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    I slam Trump constantly - but - this "Putin/Russiagate" stuff is nonsense.

    Trump has thousands of investments - it is not surprising that some Russia Oligarch would have underwritten something ... this is not big deal - the capital pool is global and many times you don't even know who the source of the cash is. .

    It was not the Russian's who bailed Trump out of his bankruptcies - It was the Rothschild/Rockefeller Consortia. The fellow who did the bailing out - working for one of their banks - is now commerce secretary = quit pro quo - Wilbur Ross.

    The idea that Putin has more sway over Trump than these Establishment international financiers - is preposterous and ridiculous.
    The idea that "Russia" has the power to influence our electoral process - more than these folks is also preposterous and ridiculous.

    Wiki did our electoral process a favor - regardless of who hacked the information. Assad says it was not Russia - but it matters not.

    It is good that the voter knows the Truth about a candidate prior to voting for them. Contrary to the clown show of pundits claiming " Russia harmed our electoral process"

    How does the voter knowing "the Truth" harm our electoral process. This is not propaganda - as the false narrative would suggest.

    The FB ads (which didn't do much) - for example - one had a Pic of Bernie Sanders with the caption "The Clinton Foundation is a Problem" ... once again - this is the Truth - Bernie said this many times.

    Have enough pundits and our State Propaganda Networks repeat a false narrative over and over enough times - and the people will start to believe it is true.

    "Russiagate" is a prime example of such propaganda tactics. Unfortunately it is the Establishment that is the big purveyors of propaganda in this nation - not Russia.

    Comparing to Russia - is like comparing a rain drop to a Hurricane.
     
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    Trump isn’t running his business so...
     
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    Lol. Troll post.
     
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    Poor Democrats. So desperate for anything. You do understand Trump was a business man correct?
    Good grief. If I were you I would prep your sensitive selves for another term.
     
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    mpw8679, you silly, businessmen are crooks also.
     
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    The truth of the matter is that Trump shouldn't have foreign business attachments at all as president. It leaves him wide open to outside political influence, a crime, and suspicion of collaboration with those same powers. Previous presidents shed all outside investments, Carter even sold his large farm.

    Has Trump acted illegally in collaboration with foreign investors? Certainly. Russia has been especially generous in supplying cash to the Trump organization over the years, as have the Saudis. Trump and his family have readily acknowledged this personal foreign attachment. Is this legal, perhaps. Is it proper, no. A man cannot serve two masters.

    Has Trump compromised democracy? Yes. He repeatedly skirted the law and followed a considered path of deliberate division of the American people. He adores strong man dictators and murderers. He disparages our allies and democracies.

    What is amusing about Trump's attempt to stack the judiciary with "conservative" judges, is that he has stacked the deck against himself as strict constructionist judges repeatedly have blocked Trump's creative attempts to circumvent the Constitution and the law. Trump, as usual, has overplayed his hand.
     
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    Is it OK for Germans to do business with Russian banks but not Americans? Is it something nefarious Americans bank with Germans?
     
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    fallacy of false equivalency, bluesguy

    the question is the legality of the Russian hold over Trump not the doing business
     
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    It must be nice living in a world of fairies and unicorns.
     
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    trump is as sleazy as they come.....Putin's asset in the WH.

    Why does Putin want trump elected again....You think Putin wants the best for the US? If you do....I got some swamp land that I want to sell you.

    Putin is expanding Russia's influence around the globe....even using US bases in Syria that trump gave him...

    Putin LOVES trump. He is his b*tch.....
     
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    Pssst, all US debt, both private and public is around $23 trillion as of Dec ‘19. Foreign govts own about 1/4 of that debt or $5.9 trillion. There’s a good chance that something you borrowed for was funded by a foreign govt. Just sayin.
     
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    I had no idea carter sold his peanut farm. You sure?

    Generally people with investments put them in a trust to remove anything a ptesidrnt might do to enrich himself .

    That trump turned manag over to his kids is sketchy .

    I hope you are as concetned with our legal bribery lobby system and campaign finance system that is pure corruption on steroids.

    Never saw you post about that just about trump.lol
     
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    Yes, remember? He gave some of the proceeds to his brother that started Billy Beer and Carter spent the rest on cardigan sweaters for his fire side chats.
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    You mean Ukraine being the largest foreign contributor to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary was Secretary of State is not a coincidence?
     
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