Trump, Pence, Pompeo Lied About Soleimani

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I didn't give a definition - I used your definition :) Soleimani. - and every human does not even close to being a terrorist by this definition.

    Some of our elite diplomats/bureaucrat's however - do meet that bar - and far exceed it - Lock Her up !! :)
     
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    kool, lets kill every government/military official & start over...
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not every Gov't Military Official is guilty of terrorism - your definition keeps expanding - you need to control those feral instincts better !
     
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    sarcasm befolds you...

    thanks for movin the goal post...

    it was you that suggested all us military generals are terrorists...
     
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    Trump is both a pathological and nonpathological liar. Pompeo and Pence, and Barr, are nothing but corrupt politicians who would sell their mothers for their own personal gains. This means that everything uttered by this group will be a direct lie or exaggeration. This means this administration can never be trusted to make critical decisions for the US. Yet here they are driving the US into the abyss while more than half of Americans could care less.

    It will be an extremely bumpy ride ahead...
     
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    If any of these Generals have participated in any of the many Illegal US Wars that have
    ..... spread Death & Terror around the world, then his suggestion, by definition is Correct.

    IT’S TIME FOR AMERICA TO RECKON
    WITH THE STAGGERING DEATH TOLL OF THE POST-9/11 WARS

    https://theintercept.com/2018/11/19/civilian-casualties-us-war-on-terror/
     
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    How do you know the way in which Pompeo was using the term, "imminent?"


    Trump didn't say that Shia Muslims are responsible for more American deaths than Sunni Muslims.

    How does the Bush thing mean that Pence lied?
     
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    A better way would be to prosecute them under existing law.

    But there is no rule of law in this country, so that ain't gonna happen.
     
  9. Jeannette

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    Pompeo says in the video he does not know precisely when or where the attack would occur, so how can it be imminent? Wouldn't this mean that Pompeo is using a different definition of imminent?


    close in time; about to occur, impending, at hand, close at hand.



    First of all we shouldn't be there since they're not our countries. Also we should be worried about the blood on our own hands and ask; how many Christians and Shias died because we supported the terrorists to overthrow the legitimate president of Syria?

    The following quote is what Pence said, and it's a blatant lie to the American people. There was no involvement by Iran in the terrorist attacks. They were all Saudis and they are Sunnis. At the time, the US had Soleimani's help against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

     
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    imminent does not mean immediately... there are all sorts of imminent things for which we have no direct knowledge of exactly where, when, how... best to rid ourselves of the threat BEFORE it actually occurs... or would you rather we wait till another 9-11 event occurs first & then respond...
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But how can there be a threat if you don't know if, when or where it will occur. Anyone can kill anybody they don't like under that definition?
     
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    ................................... [​IMG]
    Now - How do [​IMG] YOU [​IMG] know[​IMG]
    that the last Lie [​IMG]YOU [​IMG] swallowed,[​IMG] was not a pair of Pomepo's soiled Shorts ?
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    And I believe we can safely assume that Pompeo would mean "Imminent" it in a way
    that best suites a degenerate who Lies, Cheats, & Steals, and then makes a Joke of it

    Query to Chris: - How many times do you have to be Lied too and Laughed at,
    by YOUR Puppet Masters, before YOU question their validity as a Legitimate source ?
     
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    Wow, that's quite a post.
     
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    He could've chosen his words more carefully, but really the word "imminent" is pretty damn vague. One definition is "coming or likely to happen very soon." Well the word "soon" has no precise definition! If you knew that something was going to happen sometime within 24 hours, would you say that it was imminent?'

    What does this have to do with Trump saying that Soleimani was "responsible for the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of Americans?"

    So is the claim by Pence that Soleimani assisted in the clandestine travel to Afghanistan 10 of the 12 terrorists AFTER the 9/11 attacks?
     
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    If I send someone a death threat, isn't that a threat?
     
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    No it's not a lie, he didn't say Soleimani was directly involved in 9/11, he helped the terrorists travel to Afghanistan. For what purpose we don't know yet. Yeah, yeah, and Bin Laden helped against the Russians in Afghanistan and Stalin helped against Germany. Many countries get in bed with bad guys to fight a common enemy. Soleimani attacked rival terrorist groups, it sure wasn't due to making the world safer.
     
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    I'd be surprised if you didn't identify anything else in the OP that WASN'T a lie. As I did in this post: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...bout-soleimani.566418/page-12#post-1071343415
     
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    Eadora, all war is illegal.
    Even the ones where Americans killed Nazis, Japanese, Communist and Islamists.
     
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    Why "white" ??
    You racist?
    Why not Sunni boys? They hate Iran too.
    Or Hindus, they hate Muslims.
    Or Iraqis, most of them fear Iran.
     
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    Why can't you just write like anyone else, without the showmanship?
    Can't your words stand by themselves?
     
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    Signatories to the UN are Legally bound to abide by its Charter........ And the UN Charter very
    clearly states that any Legal Act of War must be conducted in accordance with a UN Resolution

    Signed Member Countries conducting War without the accent of a UN Resolution do so Illegally
    Signed Member Countries conducting War with the accent of a UN Resolution do so Legally

    The problem is however -
    there is NO viable existing Mechanism to FORCE members to comply with their Legal obligations
    and in Fact certain privileged counties presently avoid their Legal obligations by use of an exclusive
    VETO , thereby making mockery of any claim that the UN abides by The Rule of Law - (Equal Justice To All)

    Wars can at present, and have in the past, been perfectly Legal and in accordance with Law

    However - most times
    The instigation of Wars and/or their conduct in a disproportionate manner, or conduct being clearly
    contrary to the UN Charter can be said to not only be Illegal, but can be said to be EVIL

    .................... In point of my opinion ALL War may be said to be EVIL





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    Soleimani certainly was making the world safer for the Syrian people, especially the Christians and Alawites who were under the protection of Assad - while we in turn, supported and were arming Al Nusra to get rid of the democratically elected President Assad, even as Al Nusra were beheading Christians, Alawites and other minorities who wouldn't accept sharia law.

    To understand the offense to the Iranian people, Soleimani's prestige in Iran could only be compared to someone of Eisenhower's military stature in the US, and DeGaul in France. Imagine what would happen if they were assassinated by a foreign government?

    Now how about some reality instead of fairytales:

    "...In their descriptions of Qassem Soleimani U.S. media fail to mention that Soleimani and the U.S. fought on the same side. In 2001 Iran supported the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan. It used its good relations with the Hazara Militia and the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance, which both the CIA and Iran had supplied for years, to support the U.S. operation. The Wikipedia entry for the 2001 uprising in Herat lists U.S. General Tommy Franks and General Qassem Soleimani as allied commanders..."

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/...roject-that-will-avenge-qassem-soleimani.html

     
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    Is there something WRONG with an unconventional delivery ? - something inherently WRONG with something out of the ordinary ?

    I do NOT talk, nor even think in a Lifeless Monotone - I refuse to write in such a way
    ..... - I am Synesthete - I see, hear & think in & with Color, Shape & Size
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    But you're not God, or at least not to others you aren't, so how can you decide when or where the threat might occur unless you have some definite proof? Paranoia and projection does exist you know.

    Also what is the threat, that Iran might hinder the US from stealing Iraq's and Syria's oil, or that a peace deal between Iran and Saudi Arabia might stop the war and killings in Yemen - something we wouldn't like of course. Nothing like having the 'untermenschens' killing one another off.

    Kind of makes one wonder why we even fought in WWII.




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